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Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

Most real Christians do not consider the Muslim God and the Christian God to be the same.
Oh, this should be good. Are there any other criteria to qualify as a "real Christian" or is that the only thing?
 
Oh?

So please enlighten me the specific religion it establishes as a State Religion or how it prohibits the free expression of individuals religion?

I'm clueless apparently. Please give me a clue.

You are indeed, glad you acknowledge it.

Apparently it never occurs to you that the Constitution has a part called the "establishment" clause, and that ANY endorsement of religion -- even a nondenominational one -- would violate that clause.

It never occurs to you that there are nonbelievers in America too, apparently.
 
I guess you missed the link to the story of a child being FORCED to recite it or be thrown out of class.

I guess you missed the part where the teacher was punished AND missed the point where I said that the cases of teachers WRONGFULLY forcing people to do it should be dealt with in your zealous attempt at hyper partisan bloviating.

That was a case of a teacher WRONGFULLY forcing a student to doing it and instead of blaming the pledge on something the teacher did wrong they instead blamed the teacher...which was the proper action to take.

If I wrongfully shoot you should I be punished or should we change the way the gun functions?

If I use my speech to insight a riot should we remove our right to speech or should we punish me for insighting a riot?

If I restrict your right to protest by threatening you with a club should be ban clubs or should we punish me for infringing upon your rights?
 
You are indeed, glad you acknowledge it.

Apparently it never occurs to you that the Constitution has a part called the "establishment" clause, and that ANY endorsement of religion -- even a nondenominational one -- would violate that clause.

It never occurs to you that there are nonbelievers in America too, apparently.


Please tell me specifically which specific religion that "under god" establishes nor how the VOLUNTARY line of a VOLUNTARY pledge prohibits the free exercise of any other religion.

Also, are you one to believe that atheism or agnosticism is technically a religion? As it seems to be that members of those groups seem to differ in the notion of whether or not they should be considered a religion
 
Sorry NP, but I had to change it, because as you are aware, "good" is subjective.

Edit: Plus, I got to use this cool stikethrough code...


One for the good guys!!!!!!!

I apologize for fitting this in here but So much for you changing someone elses post my left wing friend...:roll:
 
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Our Creator wasn't a Christian God?

This is disconcerting.

What God is responsible for our endowed rights then?
 
I rest my case.

"Beyond question? I think any intelligent person would agree that the premise is Christianity. Jews and Muslims don't believe Jesus is the messiah which excludes them along with all other religions and non-religious." - NoJingoLingo

Your statement is not true, and your response is utter bull****. You have no case to rest. :roll:
 
Frankly I think we should add 'God' a few more times just to piss off the other side.
 
Please tell me specifically which specific religion that "under god" establishes nor how the VOLUNTARY line of a VOLUNTARY pledge prohibits the free exercise of any other religion.

Also, are you one to believe that atheism or agnosticism is technically a religion? As it seems to be that members of those groups seem to differ in the notion of whether or not they should be considered a religion

Our Constitution prevents the government from endorsing religion. ANY religion. ALL religion.

It's pretty darn clear. Even when courts address this issue, they acknowledge that the pledge and the mention of God on coins violates the Constitution, but then they say it's a "de minimis" violation. In other words, they thumb the nose at nonbelievers and say, just like you are, "Screw you, it's minor, your views don't matter."
 
By placing "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance and "In God we trust" on money, the government may not be endorsing a specific religion, but it is endorsing that a god(s) at the very least exists. That is religious in nature and is not supposed to be a function of the government.

That being said, I just can't bring myself to give a **** about it. I don't say the pledge and I could really care less what is on my money as long as I can use it.
 
I guess you missed the part where the teacher was punished AND missed the point where I said that the cases of teachers WRONGFULLY forcing people to do it should be dealt with in your zealous attempt at hyper partisan bloviating.

That was a case of a teacher WRONGFULLY forcing a student to doing it and instead of blaming the pledge on something the teacher did wrong they instead blamed the teacher...which was the proper action to take.

If I wrongfully shoot you should I be punished or should we change the way the gun functions?

If I use my speech to insight a riot should we remove our right to speech or should we punish me for insighting a riot?

If I restrict your right to protest by threatening you with a club should be ban clubs or should we punish me for infringing upon your rights?

And what was my comment again? :roll:
 
By placing "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance and "In God we trust" on money, the government may not be endorsing a specific religion, but it is endorsing that a god(s) at the very least exists. That is religious in nature and is not supposed to be a function of the government.

That being said, I just can't bring myself to give a **** about it. I don't say the pledge and I could really care less what is on my money as long as I can use it.
And it's apathy that allows these things to continue which in turn prevents Christianity, Judaism and Islam from loosing more control and eventually joining the ranks of the Greek Pantheon, et.al.

Thanks a lot. :doh
 
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SETTLED. The court cases have all said that it is technically a violation of the establishment clause, just like having a prayer in Congress or "In God We Trust" on coins or "So help you God" in a court swearing ceremony and so on.

However, the cases mostly say (in layman's terms) "big deal".

To claim that is not technically a violation of the 1st amendment is ridiculous. It's about as clear as can be. Once more, even the courts agree it is a technical violation.

But they don't care. After all, who gives a damn what a bunch of godless atheists think?

Apparently certain people here on this Board only care about the strict reading Constitution when it has to do with the 2nd amendment.
 
Frankly I think we should add 'God' a few more times just to piss off the other side.

Even where it isn't appropriate!

"I pledge God, to the God, of the God God of America..."

"One God, under God..."
 
If something isn't prohibited by the Constitution, then it's allowed by the Constitution. Did you really need me to explain that to you?

Nope, I just wanted you to say it. So IOW it's NOT in the Constitution. :2wave:
 
If something isn't prohibited by the Constitution, then it's allowed by the Constitution. Did you really need me to explain that to you?

Which part of the constitution says that? :|
 
Which part of the constitution says that? :|
None, that's the point. Something can't violate the Constitution if it isn't mentioned in the Constitution.
 
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