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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    It's kind of funny how he injected god into the pledge even before it was mandated. Frankly, I don't know how we survived so long without "under god" in our pledge.
    The history of the Pledge of Allegiance is pretty interesting.

    Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

    Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

    The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

    In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

    His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that for everyone, or even a majority of the people, in the "remove 'under god' from the Pledge" movement that it has NOTHING to do with attacking / being displeased with religion?
    A good many of the people supporting removal of religious terms and religious icons from public ownership, supporting all separation of church and state, are themselves religious. They recognize the unfairness of a government which is supposed to provide equal access to all regardless of religion endorsing one religion. They also recognize the danger of entanglement. While the words in the pledge and on money seem to be a trivial matter, they have been used to justify other more egregious acts, such as Faith-based Initiatives or forcing school students to pray.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    The history of the Pledge of Allegiance is pretty interesting.

    Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

    Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

    The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

    In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

    His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

    The Pledge of Allegiance - A Short History
    I've been talking about how the Pledge was designed as a tool of socialist propaganda for quite some time, and that's why I find it hilarious that the most ardent supporters of the pledge are also the most ardent opposition to ideas they (somewhat arbitrarily) label as "socialism".
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    It's a very simple issue..


    When a conservative doesn't believe in God, he doesn't go to church...

    When a Liberal doesn't believe in God, he wants all mention of God removed from the face of the planet...

    THIS is one of the major difference between Libs and conservatives.. Liberals just can't tolerate another's liberty!

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    It's a very simple issue..


    When a conservative doesn't believe in God, he doesn't go to church...

    When a Liberal doesn't believe in God, he wants all mention of God removed from the face of the planet...

    THIS is one of the major difference between Libs and conservatives..
    No, that was just a silly, inaccurate snide comment. The difference between libs and conservatives is few and far between.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    When a Liberal doesn't believe in God, he wants all mention of God removed from the face of the planet...
    Incorrect. They just want separation of church and state.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    It's a very simple issue..


    When a conservative doesn't believe in God, he doesn't go to church...

    When a Liberal doesn't believe in God, he wants all mention of God removed from the face of the planet...

    THIS is one of the major difference between Libs and conservatives.. Liberals just can't tolerate another's liberty!
    Nothing like using poor stereotypes to bolster your argument.

    Doesn't the whole libs vs. cons shtick get old? Not everything can be broken down in such simplistic terms. Are you going to tell me right now that there are no Conservatives out there who advocate the separation of church and state?

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!
    Where does it say which god it is? FAIL
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where does it say which god it is? FAIL
    While it may not specifically say which God it is, I think it's quite obvious why it was put in there. Considering that Christianity is the biggest religion in this country, I'm sure they weren't trying to cater to the other religions out there by putting "under God" in the Pledge. Why is it such a big deal to go back to the original format which allowed people to put "under God" in there if they felt like it? It just doesn't make sense to me to "officially" add it when there is really nothing religious about the Pledge in and of itself. The Federal Government is supposed to represent all of us, not just people who believe in a higher power.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    While it may not specifically say which God it is, I think it's quite obvious why it was put in there. Considering that Christianity is the biggest religion in this country, I'm sure they weren't trying to cater to the other religions out there by putting "under God" in the Pledge. Why is it such a big deal to go back to the original format which allowed people to put "under God" in there if they felt like it? It just doesn't make sense to me to "officially" add it when there is really nothing religious about the Pledge in and of itself. The Federal Government is supposed to represent all of us, not just people who believe in a higher power.
    You can speculate all you please, but the letter of the law is satisfied. There is no Christian anything anywhere. Same with 10 Commandments, which are Judaic.
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