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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Using the term "God" is not distinct to Christianity, nor was the name Jesus, or any other Biblical figure used in our founding documents.
    Which is why the term "Creator" is used instead.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    One other fun bit of trivia re: the Pledge adding "under God" in the 1950's.

    Our official national anthem (since long before McCarthy set foot in office) is the Star Spangled Banner. While everyone knows the first verse, few know the second, third, or fourth. The fourth verse is as follows:
    You do realize that the anthem has very little to do with the actual civics of the state?

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    One would think that the purists should have no issue with removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. After all, it was officially added during the McCarthy era. The original intended purpose of the Pledge is to declare one's loyalty to the United States. I don't see how religion fits into that at all considering that not everyone in this country is religious or believes in God in any form.

    Does removing "under God" somehow affect your personal religious views? While many argue that it doesn't refer to a specific God, we should all at least be honest in recognizing that it was inserted to cater mostly to Christians in this country. I fail to see why we can't keep the two separate. It's no surprise to me, however, that those who are applauding this decision or referring to it as "one for the good guys" are religious. Removing "under God" has nothing to do with attacking religion. It's about returning the Pledge to it's original intended purpose, which is to show your loyalty to this country. To me, God or religion has absolutely nothing to do with that.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    One would think that the purists should have no issue with removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. After all, it was officially added during the McCarthy era. The original intended purpose of the Pledge is to declare one's loyalty to the United States. I don't see how religion fits into that at all considering that not everyone in this country is religious or believes in God in any form.
    Because its a free country. Therefore you have to conform to it's culture! (I know, that didn't make sense to me either)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Does removing "under God" somehow affect your personal religious views? While many argue that it doesn't refer to a specific God, we should all at least be honest in recognizing that it was inserted to cater mostly to Christians in this country. I fail to see why we can't keep the two separate. It's no surprise to me, however, that those who are applauding this decision or referring to it as "one for the good guys" are religious. Removing "under God" has nothing to do with attacking religion. It's about returning the Pledge to it's original intended purpose, which is to show your loyalty to this country. To me, God or religion has absolutely nothing to do with that.
    I don't care either way. The whole premise of the pledge is stupid.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because its a free country. Therefore you have to conform to it's culture! (I know, that didn't make sense to me either)



    I don't care either way. The whole premise of the pledge is stupid.
    It absolutely is.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't care either way. The whole premise of the pledge is stupid.
    I agree. For some, however, it is important and it helps them affirm their loyalty to the country. To each their own. Personally, the pledge does nothing for me. I don't see how a reciting a bunch of words somehow makes one more patriotic, but whatever. I recognize the fact that it's important to some and I'm more than happy for them. However, I just fail to see why religion is such a necessary addition in something that really has nothing to do with religion. It just surprises me that so many would applaud this decision considering that "under God" wasn't even officially added until the 50's. It seems that people are only purists when it suits them.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A sanfrancisco appeals court ruling like this almost sounds like some Bizarro world stuff. I think Newdow is pissed his wife left him and that is why he holds a grudge against something he allegedly views as imaginary.
    If Newdow (who has been at this for a long time -- I remember when he attacked the moment of silence in Georgia) can't win in the Ninth, he should just simply quit.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    They have to sing that so the queen will stay alive another 90 years
    Or until Charles assumes room temperature...
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Completely inaccurate. I am Jewish and we also capitalize GOD.
    As do Muslims. When they say "Allah", they are simply rendering an Arabic translation of the word 'God" and worship the same God that Jews and Christians worship
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    You do realize that the anthem has very little to do with the actual civics of the state?
    Which means what? I'm not citing the religious tone of the anthem as proof that we should all bow down to worship a Presbyterian god, but rather as a counterpoint to the implication advanced by some that the pledge's reference to god is:

    1) The only religious reference in our official culture, and
    2) Proof that all of said references are solely the result of an anti-communist propagandist.

    The fact is that there have been similar offhand and nonspecific references to religious deitys throughout the history of our nation. While this one might have been added more recently, that doesn't make it particularly unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    One would think that the purists should have no issue with removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. After all, it was officially added during the McCarthy era. The original intended purpose of the Pledge is to declare one's loyalty to the United States. I don't see how religion fits into that at all considering that not everyone in this country is religious or believes in God in any form.

    Does removing "under God" somehow affect your personal religious views? While many argue that it doesn't refer to a specific God, we should all at least be honest in recognizing that it was inserted to cater mostly to Christians in this country. I fail to see why we can't keep the two separate. It's no surprise to me, however, that those who are applauding this decision or referring to it as "one for the good guys" are religious. Removing "under God" has nothing to do with attacking religion. It's about returning the Pledge to it's original intended purpose, which is to show your loyalty to this country. To me, God or religion has absolutely nothing to do with that.
    For me, it's not so much that I oppose the concept of removing it as I don't support the idea of filing lawsuits to remove all the vestiges of objectionable material from public life. If Congress voted to remove "under God" from the pledge tomorrow, I can't say I'd care. I just can't stand people like Newdow and his ilk, so I refuse to encourage them.
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