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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Well considering one of our governments founding principles is separation of church and state and the phrase seems to acknowledge that we serve a particular god named "God". You can pretend all you want that it doesn't refer to the "god" of abraham all you want. Its actually an important issue to many of us who consider ourselves outside of the homogenized christian community.



    Last I remembered britain has an official church and a monarch. So I don't see how the two compare.
    There are real things to worry about with with the "separation of church and state", real areas where we inch into trouble and may need to make a case that things should not be done due to that separation. This however, is not one of those cases. Sometimes you have to sit back and admit that something is just harmless and let it go. Making a case about things like this just make it harder when there is a real issue.

    I don't believe in god, but I am certainly not worried about either the pledge of allegiance, nor what it says on my money(outside of the denomination amount). Let's save out efforts for where it matters.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

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    Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance - Yahoo! News


    By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Terence Chea, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 18 mins ago


    SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

    "The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."
    A sanfrancisco appeals court ruling like this almost sounds like some Bizarro world stuff. I think Newdow is pissed his wife left him and that is why he holds a grudge against something he allegedly views as imaginary.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    If "under god" in the pledge is indoctrination, it sure is a piss poor one. Even the UK, which is way more liberal than us, sings "God save the Queen." They get 4 versus of that, we only get 2 words in our pledge....yea, we are soooo indoctrinating people.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because the pledge specifically notes "Under our Christian god," or because Christians are the only ones who believe in god?
    By using the capitalized "God" you actually are referring to a specific god - the Christian god.

    Note: Capitalize God only when it refers to the Christian God; also capitalize all nouns and personal pronouns when they refer to God.
    Capitalization

    Remember, if a word refers to God, it must be capitalized!
    The Holy Observer: THO Guide to Christian Capitalization

    Also the fact that the whole reason for adding "under God" in 1954 was spiritual / religions as well as political - during the Red Scare it was added to separate ourselves from the "godless" communists:

    "acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon the Creator [and] deny the atheistic and materialistic concept of communism."
    "Under God"--A Product of the 1950's Red Scare


    Me thinks those quick to dismiss this as nonsensical need to read a bit more between the lines.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!
    I can't tell you how many innocent little atheists have succumbed to Christianity because they found themselves reciting the pledge in grade school.

    Wait, yes I can... none!

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I can't tell you how many innocent little atheists have succumbed to Christianity because they found themselves reciting the pledge in grade school.

    Wait, yes I can... none!
    Don't forget they have to spend money too,think of how many kids have been converted because of "In God We Trust" on our money.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Did you know that "under God" was not added to the pledge until the 1950's?
    "In God We Trust" has appeared on our currency since 1864
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Don't forget they have to spend money too,think of how many kids have been converted because of "In God We Trust" on our money.
    Yes! Sometimes I stay awake at night pondering whether we can blame the entire existence of modern religion on our currency and its suggestive messages.

    At times I feel compelled to take a stand... to educate the masses... to challenge this great injustice in our courts!

    Then I remember I have a life. And a job. And a clue.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    It is hard to believe some of the comments posted. I know my grandparents and father if they were alive would be shaking their heads.

    I remember Red Skelton show growing up. He had a good take on the Pledge.

    Red Skelton In The Pledge Of Allegiance on Yahoo! Video

    I just don't understand what is so objectionable.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    By using the capitalized "God" you actually are referring to a specific god - the Christian god.
    Uh, what? You refer to two religious Christian sites that claim that "God" only means the christian god and think that that proves it? Also, unless you're reciting the pledge via closed captioning, I'm pretty sure the capitalization doesn't come across.

    Also the fact that the whole reason for adding "under God" in 1954 was spiritual / religions as well as political - during the Red Scare it was added to separate ourselves from the "godless" communists:
    And again, who cares? While that might mean something in terms of whether its good policy, it's barely relevant to the question of constitutionality.

    Me thinks those quick to dismiss this as nonsensical need to read a bit more between the lines.
    I think that those who really give a **** about this on either side should spend less time between the lines and more time outside.
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