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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sometimes I think you have to pick your battles. Things like this strike me as crying wolf.
    That would only be true if removing "under god" from the PoA had no validity. It does, you just seem to place little value on it's removal.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Well considering one of our governments founding principles is separation of church and state and the phrase seems to acknowledge that we serve a particular god named "God".
    Neither of these things are true.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is absolutely stupid. Both the Christian religion and Islam are taken from the Old Testament. It is the same God.

    Learn some history.
    I rest my case.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it was something that said for almost 50-60 years and on our currency for over a hundred years then I wouldn't have a problem with "Under Allah" or "in Allah we Trust".
    First off, I don't believe that for a second. But even if it were true, why would it matter how long it had been said? We didn't way "under god" for over 50 years in the pledge, and then it was added into it. So, this would be the same. Tomorrow, we'll change 'under god' to 'under allah' or maybe 'under gods', or possibly 'under goddess', just like when they up and changed it in the 50s. And you'd honestly be okay with that?

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That would only be true if removing "under god" from the PoA had no validity. It does, you just seem to place little value on it's removal.
    It has little validity. It's one of those things that technically probably should not be there, but it's not really hurting any one except those who choose to be hurt by it.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It has little validity. It's one of those things that technically probably should not be there, but it's not really hurting any one except those who choose to be hurt by it.
    That's basically my stance on the terms. I don't actually understand the rabid desire for either inclusion or exclusion of those terms.

    If it's there? Big deal. No harm.

    If it isn't? Big deal. No harm.

    I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over it one way or the other.
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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Incorrect. They just want separation of church and state.
    Sorry, I must've missed that, could you point me out which Religion "under god" caused to become the State Religion or how it prohibits someones free expression of their religion?

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, I must've missed that, could you point me out which Religion "under god" caused to become the State Religion or how it prohibits someones free expression of their religion?
    Well, to be fair, "under God" doesn't really cover all religious beliefs considering that some people believe in more than one God, or a Goddess, or whatever else. Just saying "under God" isn't really all encompassing.

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's basically my stance on the terms. I don't actually understand the rabid desire for either inclusion or exclusion of those terms.

    If it's there? Big deal. No harm.

    If it isn't? Big deal. No harm.

    I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over it one way or the other.
    I honestly could care less if they keep it there or not. I see no reason to change it so essentially I see the over drawn efforts to change it to be wasteful, which is the only reason that really sides me with the "leave it" then "get rid of it" side instead of just being completely ambivilent.

    I just hate it when people make stupid statements on either side be it that it needs to be gone because its unconsitutional (because you know, an ambiguous "under god" that's on a voluntarily stated pledge or on a piece of money somehow "establishes a religion" even though its not direct of any particular religion, or it prohibits the free expression of religion some...how?) or it needs to stay because we're a christian country (first, no, one could argue a "christian nation" by the technical definition of Nation but not how most people use it. Second, no you could argue its founded on christian principles but it was founded with the mentality of an areligious government, IE a government without any real concern for religion either way).

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    Re: Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, I must've missed that, could you point me out which Religion "under god" caused to become the State Religion or how it prohibits someones free expression of their religion?
    In a PUBLIC school where children are FORCED to recite a fascist pledge that includes religious overtones that specifically EXCLUDE certain religions and FORCES acknowledgment of some mythical being... that is most certainly a violation of church and state.

    PUBLIC school FORCING acknowledgment of a DEITY.

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