Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

Jerry · Mar 29, 2010

misterman said:
But the drama was justified because of the discrimination.

Did you blame blacks for the "drama" of the civil rights movement too?

Exactly how old to you think I am :lol:

My father wasn't even alive when all that went down for me to have voiced an opinion one way or the other :mrgreen:

misterman · Mar 29, 2010

Jerry said:
Exactly how old to you think I am :lol:

My father wasn't even alive when all that went down for me to have voiced an opinion one way or the other :mrgreen:

Then explains alot.

So did you blame them when you read about them in history books?

(I was only a baby back then, but I still have opinions about it).

roguenuke · Mar 29, 2010

Jerry said:
That's just one person's word against the other's, no real evidence either way.

They are required to prove a disruption occurred, or that a disruption could have had a good chance of occurring if they wouldn't have canceled the prom and allowed Constance to come as she requested. This isn't a "he said, she said" case. The school district made the claim that there were disruptions to the learning environment because of Constance's request to bring a same-sex date to the prom. They are required to prove that, or at least prove that granting such a request would cause a disruption, and they couldn't. In fact, the school principal testified that no class disruptions occurred at all.

Jerry · Mar 29, 2010

misterman said:
Then explains alot.

So did you blame them when you read about them in history books?

(I was only a baby back then, but I still have opinions about it).

When I read it in history books, I believe I was crushing over a super hot Asian chick in the front row and counting the minutes until recess :lol:

In fact I don't think I gave a **** about the civil rights movement one way of the other until I began debating gay-marriage on this board 3-4 years ago.

Jerry · Mar 29, 2010

roguenuke said:
They are required to prove a disruption occurred, or that a disruption could have had a good chance of occurring if they wouldn't have canceled the prom and allowed Constance to come as she requested. This isn't a "he said, she said" case. The school district made the claim that there were disruptions to the learning environment because of Constance's request to bring a same-sex date to the prom. They are required to prove that, or at least prove that granting such a request would cause a disruption, and they couldn't. In fact, the school principal testified that no class disruptions occurred at all.

Who said the disruptions had to be class disruptions?

The judge is going to give his decision on the case soon, but the aclu has already been denied an action to force the school to hold a prom. There's no right to have a prom.

misterman · Mar 29, 2010

Jerry said:
When I read it in history books, I believe I was crushing over a super hot Asian chick in the front row and counting the minutes until recess :lol:

In fact I don't think I gave a **** about the civil rights movement one way of the other until I began debating gay-marriage on this board 3-4 years ago.

That explains alot too.

Vader · Mar 30, 2010

Taylor said:
Well then I stand corrected. We'll just have to wait and see on the damages - if you're so confident, surely you have examples of a school district being forced to pay more than a requested $1 judgment? I sure as hell wouldn't go through with the case if I stood to win $1 and stood to lose thousands in attorney's fees to the ACLU.

If she wins, the school will pay those fees. That is how the system works. Besides, based on what occurred, it is clear that any jury who hears the case will be more than happy to award her a nice fat judgement.

It's the jury's way of telling the southern bigot school district they are wrong and they need to get with the times or get out of public service.

Old people have always had the most difficulty with the changing world. They need to deal with it or the need to be retired. In the case of the school officials in question, they need to be fired and their pensions need to be canceled.

Vader · Mar 30, 2010

Jerry said:
Who said the disruptions had to be class disruptions?

The judge is going to give his decision on the case soon, but the aclu has already been denied an action to force the school to hold a prom. There's no right to have a prom.

There is an actionable case for discrimination and that is going to come back and bite the school officials in the ass. As will their personal attacks on the plaintiff.

Vader · Mar 30, 2010

Jerry said:
When I read it in history books, I believe I was crushing over a super hot Asian chick in the front row and counting the minutes until recess :lol:

In fact I don't think I gave a **** about the civil rights movement one way of the other until I began debating gay-marriage on this board 3-4 years ago.

Then I guess there is no reason for you to continue posting in this thread.

:2wave:

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

roguenuke said:
So, in your opinion, women should just go back to wearing skirts and dresses all the time, huh? .

That's certainly not my opinion and clueless to where that comes from.

roguenuke said:
Just because something isn't normal, does not make it wrong, or even unnatural. .

Correct though it's not normal it is not necessarily wrong. But if it isn't normal
Let's not teach and tell people it's normal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rex

roguenuke said:
Technically, what is natural for all of us is to be completely naked.

now we are getting somewhere

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

misterman said:
That America is a place where being natural and normal is not a requirement - we are free to be what we want, not what everyone else wants.

Your understanding of freedom you certainly would have the pedophiles on your side.

If we're going to drop all standards at the proms. Age discrimination must also be dropped and this next fella would be allowed to attend also

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
Your understanding of freedom you certainly would have the pedophiles on your side.

If we're going to drop all standards at the proms. Age discrimination must also be dropped and this next fella would be allowed to attend also

Yeah, you'd have a point if A) he were part of the school in some way or B) he were there at the invitation of someone at the school.

The issue here is that the girl was having her freedom of expression severely curbed based upon nothing more than the bigotry of the administrators. They confessed that there was no disruption to the learning process so what more was there?

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

Yes obviously the answer would have to be (B)
that I understand
but apparently you think they should not have age discrimination.

misterman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
Your understanding of freedom you certainly would have the pedophiles on your side.

That was a lame response. Got a real one?

misterman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
If we're going to drop all standards at the proms. Age discrimination must also be dropped and this next fella would be allowed to attend also

Who said anything about dropping all standards?

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
Yes obviously the answer would have to be (B)
that I understand
but apparently you think they should not have age discrimination.

Really? Why don't you show me where I made such an assertion then...

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

jallman said:
Really? Why don't you show me where I made such an assertion then...

I did say assume. But apparently you think it's OK to discriminate against age. And it's just that your judgment. who you will discriminate against
and who not.
I thought such discriminatory practices are out of line for you guys.

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
I did say assume. But apparently you think it's OK to discriminate against age. And it's just that your judgment. who you will discriminate against
and who not.
I thought such discriminatory practices are out of line for you guys.

I am not discriminating against anything. This is a school function which means the only discrimination here should be whether or not a person is affiliated with the school. :shrug:

I find it amusing that you would even bother attempting the hopeless tactic of making an appeal to the absurd. It's never worked before and it's not going to work now.

And no, you did not say "assume". You said "apparently".

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

jallman said:
I am not discriminating against anything. This is a school function which means the only discrimination here should be whether or not a person is affiliated with the school.

".

they do not discriminate if you're not affiliated with the school. An example
is a 20-year-old dating the 18-year-old senior. They are allowed to attend the prom.

KOV03 · Mar 30, 2010

jallman said:
I find it amusing that you would even bother attempting the hopeless tactic of making an appeal to the absurd. It's never worked before and it's not going to work now.
.

This whole story is absurd. Trying to say everyone can dress in drag to the prom. Here's another example for you of what is absurd to go to the prom.
Not a bar

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
they do not discriminate if you're not affiliated with the school. An example
is a 20-year-old dating the 18-year-old senior. They are allowed to attend the prom.

OK, so then they are affiliated with the school through their date. Issue resolved.

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

KOV03 said:
This whole story is absurd. Trying to say everyone can dress in drag to the prom. Here's another example for you of what is absurd to go to the prom.
Not a bar

Again, you are arguing the absurd. I am not going to indulge it.

TheHat · Mar 30, 2010

jallman said:
Yeah, you'd have a point if A) he were part of the school in some way or B) he were there at the invitation of someone at the school.

The issue here is that the girl was having her freedom of expression severely curbed based upon nothing more than the bigotry of the administrators. They confessed that there was no disruption to the learning process so what more was there?

Well of course it wasn't disruptive to the learning process.:rofl

It was a flipping dance. Unless they are learning for school credit how to "Hammertime".

jallman · Mar 30, 2010

TheHat said:
Well of course it wasn't disruptive to the learning process.:rofl

It was a flipping dance. Unless they are learning for school credit how to "Hammertime".

But see the argument they used for canceling the dance was that it was disruptive to the learning process. This has proven to be a blatant lie so now we're back to why? Well it becomes obvious that it was an attempt to shame this girl into submission by leveraging the resentment of her peers against her.

That's a hostile environment for her to return to school in. An environment calculated by the administrator who let her need to win a pissing contest with a teenager eclipse her ability to do her job effectively.

I think the girl is entitled to much compensation for the emotional damages and attempt to curb her civil rights attempted by the administration, absurd arguments about drag queens and pedophiles notwithstanding.

TheHat · Mar 30, 2010

jallman said:
But see the argument they used for canceling the dance was that it was disruptive to the learning process. This has proven to be a blatant lie so now we're back to why? Well it becomes obvious that it was an attempt to shame this girl into submission by leveraging the resentment of her peers against her.

That's a hostile environment for her to return to school in. An environment calculated by the administrator who let her need to win a pissing contest with a teenager eclipse her ability to do her job effectively.

I think the girl is entitled to much compensation for the emotional damages and attempt to curb her civil rights attempted by the administration, absurd arguments about drag queens and pedophiles notwithstanding.

B/c most parents don't want their kids around scuz maybe and the school knew this???

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