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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

The defendant in the case gets a say. The ACLU is providing her council so ... yes, they do have a say.
Are you under the odd impression that the school district is suing Constance for trying to go to their prom, and that the ACLU is studiously defending her?

Constance is the PLAINTIFF she gets NO SAY.
 
No we don't. We need to teach children that America is where the freedom of the individual comes first, and to stand up to authority when it interferes with that. Don't you agree?
There was a time when "the authority" forced people to accept blacks and integrate them into our society. I see now that you would side with racist whites so long as it serves the individual.
 
In Virginia in the 1950s, some public schools closed altogether rather than let blacks attend, which a court had ordered. Was it the black students' fault for that too? Should they have given up on civil rights so they didn't spoil the fun for the whites?

The girl is not going to be able to attend the prom with her girlfriend no matter how you cut this.
 
No we don't. We need to teach children that America is where the freedom of the individual comes first, and to stand up to authority when it interferes with that. Don't you agree?

Not sure what you want me to agree to. I know they want to have drag
not just acceptable but also natural and normal.
As far as all the freedoms individual rights are not granted at a prom.
They also have age discrimination. They do also discriminate against dress codes cleavage how one dances it's just not a free for all at the prom.
It's after the prom the free-for-all and individual rights begin.
 
Are you under the odd impression that the school district is suing Constance for trying to go to their prom, and that the ACLU is studiously defending her?

Constance is the PLAINTIFF she gets NO SAY.

Constence filed the suit against the school. The choice of a jury or bench trial IS HERS AND HERS ALONE.

I have a degree in law. I know the rules. Clearly you do not.
 
There was a time when "the authority" forced people to accept blacks and integrate them into our society.

Interesting twist of logic. Did that hurt?

I see now that you would side with racist whites so long as it serves the individual.

Um, what?
 
Not sure what you want me to agree to.

That America is a place where being natural and normal is not a requirement - we are free to be what we want, not what everyone else wants. You know, freedom and liberty and stuff. You learned it in high school.

I know they want to have drag
not just acceptable but also natural and normal.

Why? Says who?>

As far as all the freedoms individual rights are not granted at a prom.

Some are, some aren't. The couldn't make it a white-only prom, for example. Some rights aren't, but maybe should be. So this is irrelevant.

They also have age discrimination. They do also discriminate against dress codes cleavage how one dances it's just not a free for all at the prom.

Yes - for reasons. What's your reason for excluding this person?
 
Constence filed the suit against the school. The choice of a jury or bench trial IS HERS AND HERS ALONE.

I have a degree in law. I know the rules. Clearly you do not.
Well then I stand corrected. We'll just have to wait and see on the damages - if you're so confident, surely you have examples of a school district being forced to pay more than a requested $1 judgment? I sure as hell wouldn't go through with the case if I stood to win $1 and stood to lose thousands in attorney's fees to the ACLU.
 
When you have lost the debate just resort to calling names........

Well to be fair, your little outburst where you called her girlfriend a "bull dyke" really did nothing to help your cause and even made me raise an eyebrow.
 
Well to be fair, your little outburst where you called her girlfriend a "bull dyke" really did nothing to help your cause and even made me raise an eyebrow.

I thought in the roll playing that her partner was playing the man..
 
I thought in the roll playing that her partner was playing the man..

You know what, Navy...we're done.

I am over the ignorant, asinine, and assholish things you say on a repeated basis. I have tried defending you, I have tried to overlook your idiocy but we have finally come to an impasse here.

You're done. Don't bother to interact with me anymore. I know what you are all about and I am not defending the indefensible anymore.
 
You know what, Navy...we're done.

I am over the ignorant, asinine, and assholish things you say on a repeated basis. I have tried defending you, I have tried to overlook your idiocy but we have finally come to an impasse here.

You're done. Don't bother to interact with me anymore. I know what you are all about and I am not defending the indefensible anymore.

I understand....Sorry you feel that way because with the exception of gay issues we pretty much agree......

I will continue to side with you on those issues whether you like it or not.........Take care.........
 
When you have lost the debate just resort to calling names........

I didn't call anyone names. I described a certain outlook as childish.

But last time I checked "bull dyke" was a name. A childish one too.
 
I understand....Sorry you feel that way because with the exception of gay issues we pretty much agree......

Well, no, he disagrees that it's okay to say ignorant, asinine, and assholish things, as he eloquently put it.
 
The girl is not going to be able to attend the prom with her girlfriend no matter how you cut this.

That's not exactly true. First of all, no one has given an exact final say on whether Constance was invited to the parent-sponsored prom, or if it was okay for her to bring her gf or wear the tux. Second, there is another prom set up that they can go to not far away, that is being sponsored by a gay-rights organization. She can most definitely go to that one, with her gf, and wear a tux. So, although she won't be able to go to the canceled prom, just like all the other students, she would still be able to go to at least one, if not both, of the private proms.

Also, if this high school ever does plan to have a school-sponsored prom again, or pretty much any school sponsored event, they will not be able to discriminate against homosexual students. And, depending on the outcome of the case, they will have to be very careful about their dress codes.
 
That's not exactly true. First of all, no one has given an exact final say on whether Constance was invited to the parent-sponsored prom, or if it was okay for her to bring her gf or wear the tux. Second, there is another prom set up that they can go to not far away, that is being sponsored by a gay-rights organization. She can most definitely go to that one, with her gf, and wear a tux. So, although she won't be able to go to the canceled prom, just like all the other students, she would still be able to go to at least one, if not both, of the private proms.

Also, if this high school ever does plan to have a school-sponsored prom again, or pretty much any school sponsored event, they will not be able to discriminate against homosexual students. And, depending on the outcome of the case, they will have to be very careful about their dress codes.

To me the whole thing is unimportant I am just trying to tell you this girl is trying to promote the gay agenda and she is doing it in the wrong place......People in Miss. are not the same as people in Mass. If she wanted to promote the gay lifestyle she should have done it there........
 
To me the whole thing is unimportant I am just trying to tell you this girl is trying to promote the gay agenda and she is doing it in the wrong place......People in Miss. are not the same as people in Mass. If she wanted to promote the gay lifestyle she should have done it there........

I don't think this poor girl was trying to promote a Gay Agenda, or make a point or anything. She just wanted to go to the damn prom with her partner. Why couldn't she just do that? Sad Sad Stuff.
 
This also is drag and we need to teach the children when there young this
is not only acceptable but natural and normal.
This is what is being asked of us

So, in your opinion, women should just go back to wearing skirts and dresses all the time, huh?

But wait, how far back do we take this, and what culture should we go off of? Actually, it wasn't too long ago that judges and/or parliamentary representatives wore wigs, not too much different than the one worn by the person in that picture, although they were all men. And then there's the men who had to play the female parts in Shakespeare's plays, since women weren't allowed to act. And togas seemed to look a lot alike. Should we also ban kilts or sarongs?

What is acceptable to wear is generally determined by culture and time. And, as is very evident by the fact that most women of western cultures now wear jeans and pants more often than skirts or dresses, what is acceptable to wear by either gender changes with time, and is changing even more quickly as we interact more often with the cultures of others and become more accepting of things that are not "normal". Just because something isn't normal, does not make it wrong, or even unnatural.

Technically, what is natural for all of us is to be completely naked.
 
I don't think this poor girl was trying to promote a Gay Agenda, or make a point or anything. She just wanted to go to the damn prom with her partner. Why couldn't she just do that? Sad Sad Stuff.

You are clueless about how a lot of people feel about the gay lifestyle especially in the South where there are a lot more people of religeous faith and they take their religion seriously.......

I am not even saying its right....I lived in the south and I am telling you that is the way it is.....

If you believe what these two kids was doing was not political then you live in fantasy land......
 
To me the whole thing is unimportant I am just trying to tell you this girl is trying to promote the gay agenda and she is doing it in the wrong place......People in Miss. are not the same as people in Mass. If she wanted to promote the gay lifestyle she should have done it there........

She's not trying to promote the gay agenda. Most likely she was just trying to save a little money, that the school was trying to unfairly charge her in the first place. Why should she have to pay more to bring her female date to prom than a male student does to bring his female date to prom? That's not right.

Also, why should it be okay for the school board to feel that if another student is uncomfortable with the lesbian couple being at the prom that they should have leave, but if it were any heterosexual couple that another student was uncomfortable with (just because of the couple type, not the actions of the couple), the same rule wouldn't, and most likely couldn't, apply?
 
That's not exactly true. First of all, no one has given an exact final say on whether Constance was invited to the parent-sponsored prom, or if it was okay for her to bring her gf or wear the tux. Second, there is another prom set up that they can go to not far away, that is being sponsored by a gay-rights organization. She can most definitely go to that one, with her gf, and wear a tux. So, although she won't be able to go to the canceled prom, just like all the other students, she would still be able to go to at least one, if not both, of the private proms.

Also, if this high school ever does plan to have a school-sponsored prom again, or pretty much any school sponsored event, they will not be able to discriminate against homosexual students. And, depending on the outcome of the case, they will have to be very careful about their dress codes.

Oh I didn't know there were other proms set up. I left this thread for a while.

Let's be clear, though, that this is not the school's doing. The school has for years welcomed same-sex couples.

This is the doing of a single person, the Administrator, who singlehandedly denied the girl permission. It was not a board, there is no anti-gay wording in the dress-code or similar. This is one person's bigotry, not an entire school's.
 
So, in your opinion, women should just go back to wearing skirts and dresses all the time, huh?

Best post on this entire thread! Wish I'd thought of it.
 
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