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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

Partisan said:
She was just trying to stir up trouble.....
Now, she's 'traumatized'?....Please.....:roll:
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WRONG.

She was trying to go to her prom. The school decided if they couldn't force their backwards southern morality on here they would cancel it. Then they victimized her by pointing to her as the reason why the prom was cancelled.

She WAS victimized and is quite likely traumatized.

The school is wrong and those who took the action need to lose their jobs, pensions, and the right to be around children ever again. PERIOD.
 
Navy Pride said:
Terrible example same old tired stale left wing talking points....A race of people and a class of people are two totally diferent things......
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The school was wrong. They forced their morality on others. That is improper. The right needs to realize their morality is NOT THE LAW.
 
Navy Pride said:
80% believe in God...............
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You do realize that believing in God is not the same as being associated with any religion, and it also does not mean that you are against gays. I believe in God, and I think homosexuality is natural and ok. I don't believe God is against homosexuality, but rather some men and women are, and use books, like the Bible, to try to further the anti-gay side. If I'm wrong, so be it, but at least I won't be belittling or condemning others for doing something that does no harm to anyone else.
 
Vader said:
The school was wrong. They forced their morality on others. That is improper. The right needs to realize their morality is NOT THE LAW.
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The Kid was wrong she tried to shove homosexuality down the peoples throat.
 
roguenuke said:
You do realize that believing in God is not the same as being associated with any religion, and it also does not mean that you are against gays. I believe in God, and I think homosexuality is natural and ok. I don't believe God is against homosexuality, but rather some men and women are, and use books, like the Bible, to try to further the anti-gay side. If I'm wrong, so be it, but at least I won't be belittling or condemning others for doing something that does no harm to anyone else.
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You have a problem then because if you believe in the Christian God then you must believe in the Christian bible and that bible says the sex acts that gays engage in is a mortal sin.....The Catholic church says love the sinner and hate the sin........
 
Navy Pride said:
You have a problem then because if you believe in the Christian God then you must believe in the Christian bible and that bible says the sex acts that gays engage in is a mortal sin.....The Catholic church says love the sinner and hate the sin........
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I don't have a problem at all, because I don't have to believe in any specific religion's "God". I do believe in a higher power, that I call God. I choose to listen to my own mind and heart rather than those words that are "supposedly" from God in the Bible or any other religious texts/books.
 
roguenuke said:
I don't have a problem at all, because I don't have to believe in any specific religion's "God". I do believe in a higher power, that I call God. I choose to listen to my own mind and heart rather than those words that are "supposedly" from God in the Bible or any other religious texts/books.
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You pick and choose what you like and don't like or believe..........That must be nice............You should start you own church with that philosophy......
 
Navy Pride said:
The Kid was wrong she tried to shove homosexuality down the peoples throat.
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She didn't try to shove anything down anyone's throat. The school has no right to force same-sex couples to pay more for their prom tickets than heterosexual couples have to pay.

Lesbian Teen Speaks Out on Cancelled Prom - The Early Show - CBS News

Personally, I don't think there should have been separate prices for individual tickets and couples tickets. That isn't very fair to anyone who doesn't have an opposite sex date.

And she was further discriminated against when they told her she and her date would have to arrive separately and leave if any of the other students were uncomfortable with them being at the prom. I didn't see the stipulation that other students with "individual" tickets had to all arrive separately. And the other students do not have a right to not be uncomfortable. If they did, then I bet there would be a few more couples that could be asked to leave, since there are plenty of heterosexual couples that make others "uncomfortable".

As for the tux, she has every right to wear an outfit to prom that is deemed appropriate for guys to wear. Her wearing a tux, or even a guy wearing a dress, does not disrupt the learning environment (since there is no actual lessons occurring during prom) nor does it affect the safety of the students nor it is a promotion of an illegal activity. The cases in the past upholding school dress codes, did so based on one of those above principles. And it has been said by the SCOTUS that students do not "check their rights at the school doors". Therefore, it is a case of gender discrimination. Even if she were straight and just asking to wear a tux, it would still be gender discrimination.
 
roguenuke said:
She didn't try to shove anything down anyone's throat. The school has no right to force same-sex couples to pay more for their prom tickets than heterosexual couples have to pay.

Lesbian Teen Speaks Out on Cancelled Prom - The Early Show - CBS News

Personally, I don't think there should have been separate prices for individual tickets and couples tickets. That isn't very fair to anyone who doesn't have an opposite sex date.

And she was further discriminated against when they told her she and her date would have to arrive separately and leave if any of the other students were uncomfortable with them being at the prom. I didn't see the stipulation that other students with "individual" tickets had to all arrive separately. And the other students do not have a right to not be uncomfortable. If they did, then I bet there would be a few more couples that could be asked to leave, since there are plenty of heterosexual couples that make others "uncomfortable".

As for the tux, she has every right to wear an outfit to prom that is deemed appropriate for guys to wear. Her wearing a tux, or even a guy wearing a dress, does not disrupt the learning environment (since there is no actual lessons occurring during prom) nor does it affect the safety of the students nor it is a promotion of an illegal activity. The cases in the past upholding school dress codes, did so based on one of those above principles. And it has been said by the SCOTUS that students do not "check their rights at the school doors". Therefore, it is a case of gender discrimination. Even if she were straight and just asking to wear a tux, it would still be gender discrimination.
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The school haas rules...She knew that amd she tried to break them with a publicity stunt..........
 
Navy Pride said:
You pick and choose what you like and don't like or believe..........That must be nice............You should start you own church with that philosophy......
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Why? I have no desire to force anyone to accept what I believe. I do however, expect others to obey the rules of fairness and equality as set forth by the Constitution of the US. No matter what their religious beliefs are. I strongly believe that the Freedom of Religion is also a Freedom from Religion.
 
Navy Pride said:
You have a problem then because if you believe in the Christian God then you must believe in the Christian bible and that bible says the sex acts that gays engage in is a mortal sin.....The Catholic church says love the sinner and hate the sin........
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Looks like some of the catholic church priests were loving the children a little to much. Oh well, love the sinners.:roll:
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Looks like some of the catholic church priests were loving the children a little to much. Oh well, love the sinners.:roll:
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There's at least as much child molestation going on within the protestant faiths.
So priestly celibacy can't be the whole answer.
 
roguenuke said:
Why? I have no desire to force anyone to accept what I believe. I do however, expect others to obey the rules of fairness and equality as set forth by the Constitution of the US. No matter what their religious beliefs are. I strongly believe that the Freedom of Religion is also a Freedom from Religion.
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First you argue one side of the God issue or stand then you argue the other side.......Personally I have no clue where you stand on the issue except that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong or a bigot......Sorry I can't accept that kind of thinking.........
 
1069 said:
There's at least as much child molestation going on within the protestant faiths.
So priestly celibacy can't be the whole answer.
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I agree with that 100%. Look at David Koresh.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Looks like some of the catholic church priests were loving the children a little to much. Oh well, love the sinners.:roll:
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Here we go You have thousands of Catholic priests doing their job abd you have 1% that are gay and pedophile and you blame all priests my very far out left wing friend.......Sad..........
 
Navy Pride said:
The school haas rules...She knew that amd she tried to break them with a publicity stunt..........
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The school's rules were in direct violation of her rights. Schools cannot make rules discriminating against certain students just because they do not agree with the legal activity the student is involved in. And all the students have a right to express themselves as long as those expressions do not 1) disrupt the learning environment - no learning is taking place at prom, 2) cause a safety concern to the students - how can her wearing a tux really cause a safety issue, especially since no mention has ever been made that her actually being a lesbian has affected anyone's safety at school, 3) promote illegal activities - being gay is completely legal.

And personally, I could care less if this was a publicity stunt or even if she turns up to not be gay 5, 10 years from now, because the school's rules were still wrong.
 
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1069 said:
There's at least as much child molestation going on within the protestant faiths.
So priestly celibacy can't be the whole answer.
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Thank you, most ministers and priests are doing their job and obeying the precepts of their faith but when a few do these kind of horrible thinh=gs people who are clueless like Liberal Avenger blame all priest and ministers.............

They are so clueless..........
 
roguenuke said:
The school's rules were in direct violation of her rights. Schools cannot make rules discriminating against certain students just because they do not agree with the legal activity the student is involved in. And all the students have a right to express themselves as long as those expressions do not 1) disrupt the learning environment - no learning is taking place at prom, 2) cause a safety concern to the students - how can her wearing a tux really cause a safety issue, especially since no mention has ever been made that her actually being a lesbian has affected anyone's safety at school, 3) promote illegal activities - being gay is completely legal.

And personally, I could care less if this was a publicity stunt or even if she turns up to not be gay 5, 10 years from now, because the school's rules were still wrong.
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Then they should try and change the rules, don't make a mockery of it and penalize all the kids in the school........
 
Navy Pride said:
Here we go You have thousands of Catholic priests doing their job abd you have 1% that are gay and pedophile and you blame all priests my very far out left wing friend.......Sad..........
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The pope is in deep poop right now about how he let the child molestation by priests slide for years after they were caught abusing deaf children at the school they supervised.

I think they ought to excommunicate the pope for helping them get away with it due to his benign neglect.:(
 
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