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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

rhinefire said:
She should have the character to not attend the prom instead of ruining it for the rest of the entire student body. Since her beef is with the administration she should focus there. This country does recognize the union between gays so until it does they should stroke each other in private. There are those that don't object to gays and there are those would kill them if they knew they could get away with it. So perhaps she avoided a royal ass beating at the end of the night in the parking lot. Homosexuality is still considered to be a severe mental disorder as is pedophelia and beastiality.
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I'd ask you to prove that homosexuality is a mental disorder, but since we all know you can't, I'll just say that you obviously don't know what you are talking about and should, therefore, not be taken seriously.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'd ask you to prove that homosexuality is a mental disorder, but since we all know you can't, I'll just say that you obviously don't know what you are talking about and should, therefore, not be taken seriously.
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Ah, the defender of the 'faith'.......:2wave:
 
Partisan said:
Ah, the defender of the 'faith'.......:2wave:
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You want to take a stab at it Partisan? Go ahead, make your case. It's been a while since I humiliated someone on this subject matter.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You want to take a stab at it Partisan? Go ahead, make your case. It's been a while since I humiliated someone on this subject matter.
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Nope, I've all ready said everything I need to......;)
I don't consider it a mental disorder, just deviant behavior....;)
 
Partisan said:
Nope, I've all ready said everything I need to......;)
I don't consider it a mental disorder, just deviant behavior....;)
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And what does deviant mean, and why is it wrong? Take another stab.
 
jallman said:
Deviant doesn't mean "wrong". It just means different from the norm. :shrug:
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Ah yes, "the norm", meaning of course exactly what you think it is. Interesting behavioral pattern.
 
jallman said:
Deviant doesn't mean "wrong". It just means different from the norm. :shrug:
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Yeah, but you and I already know that. This is a teachable moment, let's wait for the rest of the class to catch up.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Ah yes, "the norm", meaning of course exactly what you think it is. Interesting behavioral pattern.
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or a deviation from accepted or traditional standards . of course if you consider statistical terms a "unit of standard diviation " sound like a contradiction in terms ..

so a Homosexual is a unit or two of deviations off from standard
 
The idiot principal and his/her school board backers need to lose their jobs over this issue.
 
Injuction denied:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQRDDMNSipfZL1NVG-gK2OLZHJUwD9EKHT100

Judge denies IAHS prom injunction request - WTVA.com
ABERDEEN, Miss. (WTVA) - A federal judge will not force the Itawamba County schools to hold a high school prom at its high school in Fulton.

Davidson said, in his 12 page written opinion, that McMillen's sexuality is an extension of speech. By blocking her from the prom, the school district was violating her First Amendment rights.

However, he added that forcing the school district back into a sponsorship role with the prom at this time would be disruptive and not be in the public's best interest.
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I must say I'm glad we're not having a federal court force a school to hold a prom simply to provide Constance with a stage from which to express her first amendment rights. I thought it would be ludicrous for the injuction to be granted.

Now having lost the injunction, it is expected that Constance will take the case to court with a "substantial liklihood" to win on the first amendment claim, where she will try to recover $1 in damages plus attorney's fees. Good thing for her she got the $30,000 on Ellen because it doesn't appear that the case itself is doing much for her.
 
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Taylor said:
Injuction denied:

The Associated Press: Judge rules against lesbian teen in prom flap

Judge denies IAHS prom injunction request - WTVA.com

I must say I'm glad we're not having a federal court force a school to hold a prom simply to provide Constance with a stage from which to express her first amendment rights. I thought it would be ludicrous for the injuction to be granted.

Now having lost the injunction, it is expected that Constance will take the case to court with a "substantial liklihood" to win on the first amendment claim, where she will try to recover $1 in damages plus attorney's fees. Good thing for her she got the $30,000 on Ellen because it doesn't appear that the case itself is doing much for her.
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Question. Do you support this line from the article, especially the part I placed in bold: "However, he added that forcing the school district back into a sponsorship role with the prom at this time would be disruptive and not be in the public's best interest. "
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Question. Do you support this line from the article, especially the part I placed in bold: "However, he added that forcing the school district back into a sponsorship role with the prom at this time would be disruptive and not be in the public's best interest"
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I support the community's decision to hold a privately sponsored event or even several. As I stated when the request for a preliminary injunction was announced, the school should not be forced into providing a venue.
 
Taylor said:
I support the community's decision to hold a privately sponsored event or even several. As I stated when the request for a preliminary injunction was announced, the school should not be forced into providing a venue.
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This was ruled based on "the public's best interest" even though the school was found in violation of the girl's 1st Amendment rights. It is good to know that you support legal findings based on evidence supporting "the public's best interest". I will keep that in mind. ;)
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This was ruled based on "the public's best interest" even though the school was found in violation of the girl's 1st Amendment rights.
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It was actually based on four criteria, all of which are pretty much standard when a judge is asked to grant a preliminary injunction. It is up to the plaintiff to demonstrate that all are met... Constance failed to make a persuasive argument with respect to (4):

  1. a substantial likelihood of success on the merits;
  2. a substantial threat that the plairitiff will suffer irreparable injury if the injunction is denied;
  3. that the threatened injury to the plaintiff outweighs any damage that an injunction might cause the defendant; and
  4. that granting the injunction will not disserve the public interest.

CaptainCourtesy said:
It is good to know that you support legal findings based on evidence supporting "the public's best interest". I will keep that in mind. ;)
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In this legal context, there's really no choice. Of course, people will always argue on what the public interest should be. See for example:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emma-rubysachs/lesbian-prom-decision-a-h_b_510804.html
 
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Taylor said:
It was actually based on four criteria, all of which are pretty much standard when a judge is asked to grant a preliminary injunction. It is up to the plaintiff to demonstrate that all are met... Constance failed to make a persuasive argument with respect to (4):

  1. a substantial likelihood of success on the merits;
  2. a substantial threat that the plairitiff will suffer irreparable injury if the injunction is denied;
  3. that the threatened injury to the plaintiff outweighs any damage that an injunction might cause the defendant; and
  4. that granting the injunction will not disserve the public interest.


In this legal context, there's really no choice. Of course, people will always argue on what the public interest should be. See for example:

Emma Ruby-Sachs: Lesbian Prom Decision a Huge Failure to Uphold Constitutional Rights
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Well said Taylor.

Thanks very much for the update.
 
817 responses to this topic. We are a nation of soap opera lovers.
 
rhinefire said:
817 responses to this topic. We are a nation of soap opera lovers.
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There are well over 55,000 responses on yahoo. At least most of the responses here are civil and respectful.
 
I called it:

Gay teen in prom case feels ostracized locally, celebrated nationally - CNN.com

Walking into school Wednesday morning was not easy for Constance McMillen. The last time she'd been there was March 11, the day after her Fulton, Mississippi, high school canceled prom rather than allow her to wear a tuxedo and attend with her girlfriend.
She didn't assume last week's spring break would cool things down. She expected stares, dirty looks and cold shoulders, and passing through the doors was daunting. Over these last two weeks, she said, she's had a hard time sleeping, can barely eat, feels anxious and -- until she saw a doctor for help -- often felt like she was "going to throw up."
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I said this was going to happen.
 
Well, well, well......we've got us a publicity stunt.

Color me shocked.
 
Arch Enemy said:
I called it:

Gay teen in prom case feels ostracized locally, celebrated nationally - CNN.com



I said this was going to happen.
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Well it is kind of what the school administration was going for; Shaming her into giving up her dignity as a human being by making her the object of her peers' resentments. That's why they just cancelled the prom altogether. It wasn't about distractions, etc...it was about adults letting their need to win a pissing contest eclipse their good sense.
 
Erod said:
Well, well, well......we've got us a publicity stunt.

Color me shocked.
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Publicity stunts like the march on Washington? (pick one)
 
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