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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

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    I never said it did. Please stick to the subject.
    Then why does acceptence of homosexuality worry you? Just because something was the only way in the past doesn't make it more relevant now. No one is forcing you to be tolerant of them. If you don't want associate with them, fine. If you or others want to force your morality on others than I have a problem.

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    I have addressed it yes. No one can disprove it because it is fact.
    No, it has been shown by many links and posts that no one really knows where sexual orientation comes from.

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    Yes it has as the only natural way to pass genetic material to the next generation through procreation. Amazing how basic sex ed is lost on you.
    You are being willfully ignorant. Everyone here knows how babies are made. Being disadvantageous toward passing on one's genes =/= something not being genetic.

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    And that means what?
    Sexual orientation has been shown to not be a choice, genetic or not.

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    And where does it say sexual orientation is part of that? Oh thats right, it doesn't.
    The term is unconditional. It says "ALL men..." not "Some men..." Yes, no society can honestly say that it has fully lived up to those ideals, but that is no excuse to not try.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    You are being willfully ignorant. Everyone here knows how babies are made. Being disadvantageous toward passing on one's genes =/= something not being genetic.
    As has been pointed out, homosexuality is not disadvantageous to the perpetuation of the species (which is the actual point of existence, not individual reproduction).

    Many researchers believe, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, that gays, as nonprocreative adults, served a specific purpose in prehistoric times: they helped raise and support their siblings' families, or the children of other members of their tribe.
    This would've been crucial to the continued existence of a community, back in the days when so many people died at a young age and left their children orphaned.

    I believe texmaster is being willfully obtuse.

    By the way, the spell-check on this forum has a few bugs.
    It indicates that the word "wilfully" is a misspelling, when it isn't; it's actually a valid alternative spelling:

    wilfully - definition of wilfully by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    You know I have to ask this, why is the argument always made that since the anti-gay crowd thinks that homosexuality is a choice, and not something they are born as, then it is automatically not protected as a civil right? I constantly hear this argument, "it's a choice so it shouldn't be considered the same argument as race".

    I can name something else that is a choice. Religion. That tells me that it doesn't matter if they were born that way or if they are choosing to be that way. Its in the same protections as race and is a choice.

    So how's this argument for you? Should it be okay for a public school to ban couples of different religious beliefs from going to prom together? It's not like their religious beliefs would be really violated, especially considering there are several religions that consider it wrong to date someone not of your faith.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You know I have to ask this, why is the argument always made that since the anti-gay crowd thinks that homosexuality is a choice, and not something they are born as, then it is automatically not protected as a civil right? I constantly hear this argument, "it's a choice so it shouldn't be considered the same argument as race".

    I can name something else that is a choice. Religion. That tells me that it doesn't matter if they were born that way or if they are choosing to be that way. Its in the same protections as race and is a choice.

    So how's this argument for you? Should it be okay for a public school to ban couples of different religious beliefs from going to prom together? It's not like their religious beliefs would be really violated, especially considering there are several religions that consider it wrong to date someone not of your faith.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You know I have to ask this, why is the argument always made that since the anti-gay crowd thinks that homosexuality is a choice, and not something they are born as, then it is automatically not protected as a civil right? I constantly hear this argument, "it's a choice so it shouldn't be considered the same argument as race".

    I can name something else that is a choice. Religion. That tells me that it doesn't matter if they were born that way or if they are choosing to be that way. Its in the same protections as race and is a choice.

    So how's this argument for you? Should it be okay for a public school to ban couples of different religious beliefs from going to prom together? It's not like their religious beliefs would be really violated, especially considering there are several religions that consider it wrong to date someone not of your faith.
    That is a very good point, but sadly I remember growing up that certain people weren't allowed to join student activities because of religion. It was never stated that they weren't allowed in because they were black or Muslim, but it was well known that was the reason. Thankfully those who made such decisions have left their positions and now it is much more open for everyone.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

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    I don't know where Jerry lives, but I don't think Jerry realizes that society's idea of "suitable attire" for females has changed significantly since, oh... the 1950s and 60s.

    I, for instance, wear a teeshirt or wifebeater every day of my life. With jeans, cut-offs, or boxers (depending upon the weather, and whether I'm going out in public or just hanging around my own apartment complex).
    On cold days, I also wear a flannel or hoodie. The only shoes I own are converse all-stars.

    That is my entire wardrobe.
    It's more or less identical to my husband's wardrobe, except that he owns some expensive running shoes and some additional lycra sport clothes for working out.
    I wear men's pants all the time. Because they're ****ing comfortable. I buy men's swim trunks, boxer, and men's lounge pants. For MYSELF.

    And I LOVE flannel. Flannel sheets, flannels shirts, flannel pants.

    Oh, and my ballcap

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    We should not limit someone's freedom to express love towards another (so long as it is decent, I am not advocating public sex) and cancel the whole prom because of a lesbian couple. I don't support gay marriage or the homosexual agenda, but it's going to far to close a prom because of a lesbian couple and ruin it for everyone. Even though I think homosexuality is wrong I think people's rights should be protected. If someone chooses to be gay they shouldn't have people forcing them against that. Now I'm not for extending marriage benefits to homosexual couples, but I also don't believe in oppressing them or telling others who they can and can't have a relationship with. It's not my place and what this school did was wrong. Not only on the part of discrimination, but also publicly humiliating a lesbian couple and placing the blame on them for a canceled prom when really it's the high school that has the problem. You can be against the homosexual agenda without being against homosexual people.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You know I have to ask this, why is the argument always made that since the anti-gay crowd thinks that homosexuality is a choice, and not something they are born as, then it is automatically not protected as a civil right? I constantly hear this argument, "it's a choice so it shouldn't be considered the same argument as race".

    I can name something else that is a choice. Religion. That tells me that it doesn't matter if they were born that way or if they are choosing to be that way. Its in the same protections as race and is a choice.

    So how's this argument for you? Should it be okay for a public school to ban couples of different religious beliefs from going to prom together? It's not like their religious beliefs would be really violated, especially considering there are several religions that consider it wrong to date someone not of your faith.
    I know it's already been said, but I must say it also, excellent point! I don't believe it's a choice but if one is going to argue it is, I'd like to see a reply to your post and see how they would argue against it.

    Well done!

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I wear men's pants all the time. Because they're ****ing comfortable. I buy men's swim trunks, boxer, and men's lounge pants. For MYSELF.

    And I LOVE flannel. Flannel sheets, flannels shirts, flannel pants.

    Oh, and my ballcap
    Around the house, I wear boxers. They're comfy.
    Clearly, they're "men's pants". They have a slit in the front, lol.
    Other than that, I wear Levis. I think all the jeans I have currently are women's, but I've gotten boys' Levis before because they were cheaper, and I don't see much of a difference. I'm built more like a boy anyway: no hips, no butt, not much of a waist indention.
    Women's pants tend to fit me ridiculously: tight in the waist, so baggy in the butt it looks like I've got a gigantic saggy balloon back there. Levis seems to be about the only jeans manufacturer that doesn't assume all women have an hourglass figure.

    I don't know what that dude was talking about, saying men's pants and jackets don't fit women. They come in all sizes.
    The school's more likely to send kids home if their clothes are too tight, than if they're too baggy.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We should not limit someone's freedom to express love towards another (so long as it is decent, I am not advocating public sex) and cancel the whole prom because of a lesbian couple. I don't support gay marriage or the homosexual agenda, but it's going to far to close a prom because of a lesbian couple and ruin it for everyone. Even though I think homosexuality is wrong I think people's rights should be protected. If someone chooses to be gay they shouldn't have people forcing them against that. Now I'm not for extending marriage benefits to homosexual couples, but I also don't believe in oppressing them or telling others who they can and can't have a relationship with. It's not my place and what this school did was wrong. Not only on the part of discrimination, but also publicly humiliating a lesbian couple and placing the blame on them for a canceled prom when really it's the high school that has the problem. You can be against the homosexual agenda without being against homosexual people.
    I applaud your outlook. Would that others with the same point of view felt and did the same in protecting the rights of these Americans.

    It was very punitive of the school to handle it the way they did. They speak of distracting from the learning process, well, I don't see that they helped in that the girl in question has been told to her face that SHE ruined their senior year. Very shameful on the part of the school and their district.

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