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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

texmaster said:
But....they love each other!
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Well that seems to be a perfectly acceptable reason for heterosexuals to live open and public lives affirming their feelings for one another. :shrug:
 
Erod said:
Oh...well, then let's declare a national holiday. Shoot, how about "Gay History Month".
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Dont forget "Man Boy Love Month" and "Polygamist Month"
 
To me, this case just empasizes the fact that gays have not "won" in America, like so many people run around touting. Every day is still a social battle in many parts. Even in Canada these problems exist, and we are way more liberal than you guys. It takes a long time to phase out the hatred and we just need to have patience.

While I think the prom experience is overrated (maybe that's because I'm Canadian and it's not as big a deal here), shutting down the whole prom in order to do a workaround to the problem is really disgusting. That's practically asking for the kids to have an unsupervised, off campus party where people are committing all kinds of hedonistic acts. :2razz:

Once the party is over, she should sue. Might as well get her college paid for.
 
texmaster said:
Dont forget "Man Boy Love Month" and "Polygamist Month"
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Those have zero to do with homosexuality. I went ahead and took the liberty of reporting your usual degradation to simply trolling.
 
Orion said:
To me, this case just empasizes the fact that gays have not "won" in America, like so many people run around touting. Every day is still a social battle in many parts. Even in Canada these problems exist, and we are way more liberal than you guys. It takes a long time to phase out the hatred and we just need to have patience.
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So if you are against something you have to hate it?

While I think the prom experience is overrated (maybe that's because I'm Canadian and it's not as big a deal here), shutting down the whole prom in order to do a workaround to the problem is really disgusting. That's practically asking for the kids to have an unsupervised, off campus party where people are committing all kinds of hedonistic acts. :2razz:

Once the party is over, she should sue. Might as well get her college paid for.
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Read the article. She is suing.


Because what better way to prove you are a raving narcissist than insisting a society accept what you personally believe knowing you will ruin everyone else's good time in doing so.
 
texmaster said:
And you don't understand breaking the rules do you?

Unless of course you don't think you have to follow them and risk the enjoyment of an event for everyone around you.
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Many schools in south georgia still have segregated proms. That is wrong and they should be integrated and it does not matter if some do not enjoy it as a result. This is the same sort of thing.
 
If you are going to pass yourself off as a teacher try reading carefully.

She had every intention of breaking the rule or was that too carefully hidden for you?
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If you would like to contest your grade, please site examples from the assigned reading.

Here, let me help:

A Feb. 5 memo to students laid out the criteria for bringing a date to the prom, and one requirement was that the person must be of the opposite sex.
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The district announced Wednesday it wouldn't host the April 2 prom. The decision came after the American Civil Liberties Union told officials a policy banning same-sex prom dates violated students' rights. The ACLU said the district not letting McMillen wear a tuxedo violated her free expression rights.
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As you can see, the school issued criteria that violated students rights. Rather than just show up to the prom in a tux with her girlfriend, Constance instead petitioned for the rules to be amended to be more in line with her rights. Since they realized that continuing to host the prom with such unconstitutional criteria would get them in big trouble, the school decided to take their ball and go home rather than join the 21st Century.

If you are still having trouble understanding the assignment, we could maybe have one of the other students work with you during study hall...
 
megaprogman said:
Many schools in south georgia still have segregated proms. That is wrong and they should be integrated and it does not matter if some do not enjoy it as a result. This is the same sort of thing.
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I'll say it again.

Stop insulting the civil rights movement by pretending race and sexual preference are equal.
 
texmaster said:
I'll say it again.

Stop insulting the civil rights movement by pretending race and sexual preference are equal.
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No. I see them as one and the same.

The only thing that will change my opinion is evidence that being gay is a choice and not a biological issue.
 
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Panache said:
If you would like to contest your grade, please site examples from the assigned reading.

Here, let me help:

As you can see, the school issued criteria that violated students rights. Rather than just show up to the prom in a tux with her girlfriend, Constance instead petitioned for the rules to be amended to be more in line with her rights. Since they realized that continuing to host the prom with such unconstitutional criteria would get them in big trouble, the school decided to take their ball and go home rather than join the 21st Century.
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Unconstitutional. I love it when you think you can throw out big words without being challenged. Please cite in the Constitution where all sexual preferences are by law required to be accepted.

I'll wait.

If you are still having trouble understanding the assignment, we could maybe have one of the other students work with you during study hall...
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Until you can understand the difference between what is Constitutional and what is personal preference, stick to teaching the kindergartners finger painting. This requires a bit more thought than you are used to.
 
texmaster said:
Unconstitutional. I love it when you think you can throw out big words without being challenged. Please cite in the Constitution where all sexual preferences are by law required to be accepted.

I'll wait.

Until you can understand the difference between what is Constitutional and what is personal preference, stick to teaching the kindergartners finger painting. This requires a bit more thought than you are used to.
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If it is unconstitutional than the constitution is wrong. Period.
 
megaprogman said:
No. I see them as one and the same.

The only thing that will change my opinion is evidence that being gay is a choice and not a biological issue.
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Exactly. Why should we accept all sexual behaviors based on choice? Are you claiming you would because I can easily come up with some choices people make in sexual preference I bet you would object to.
 
Okay a few things...

The "Tuxedo" thing was ****ing ridiculous. So if she was STRAIGHT and wanted to wear a Tux that'd be okay but if she's gay and wanting to do it its "rubbing it in our faces".

Second, to a point Tex is right. There are rules, you break the rules, consequences follow. I don't feel sorry for this girl in so much that she broke a rule and consequences occurred.

Third, just because there's a rule doesn't mean its not ****ing ridiculous and amazingly bigoted. While I don't feel sorry for her, I do applaud her courage and conviction to perform civil disobedience to show her displeasure for an amazingly retarded rule.

Fourth, I do feel sympathy for her classmates AND for her that the school went above and beyond what normal, realistic, understandable consequences would be and instead punished EVERYONE over a stupid ****ing rule by canceling Prom rather then deal with their own bigoted ruleset.

Fifth, I put even money these two showing up together would've ruined a hell of a lot less peoples good times than CANCELING PROM. And yet the school gets a pass for reacting COMPLETELY over the top while bigots try and come down on the girl.
 
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megaprogman said:
If it is unconstitutional than the constitution is wrong. Period.
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Your personal opinion doesn't change that fact.

You want to change it? Petition the government and your representatives.
 
texmaster said:
I'll say it again.

Stop insulting the civil rights movement by pretending race and sexual preference are equal.
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The only thing insulting is bigoted overreactions such as canceling an entire prom.

The two are parallel and the fact you don't like it is of little consequence.
 
texmaster said:
So if you are against something you have to hate it?
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In this case, yeah. This is negative discrimination and there is no logical reason for it that you can put forth.


texmaster said:
Read the article. She is suing.
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Good. I hope it comes out of the principal's salary.

texmaster said:
Because what better way to prove you are a raving narcissist than insisting a society accept what you personally believe knowing you will ruin everyone else's good time in doing so.
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This is not the girl's fault. The school made the choice to cancel the event, not her. They were so committed to enforcing a bigoted policy that instead of losing face to the media by kicking her out of the prom, they just canceled the whole thing. It's a sick workaround.

If you cannot see where the responsibility lies in this case, then your denial is more dense than I thought.
 
texmaster said:
Your personal opinion doesn't change that fact.

You want to change it? Petition the government and your representatives.
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Civil disobedience is a good first step.
 
texmaster said:
Exactly. Why should we accept all sexual behaviors based on choice? Are you claiming you would because I can easily come up with some choices people make in sexual preference I bet you would object to.
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Moral objection is not grounds or justification for restrictive public policies. This was ruled in a SC decision out of Kansas where they tried to levy a much greater penalty against a young man who had a relationship with an underage teenager (they were 20 and 17, I believe) than they would have for a young man having a relationship with a girl of similar age.

Moral disapproval is not a legitimate justification for restriction of personal freedoms.
 
TheNextEra said:
The only thing insulting is bigoted overreactions such as canceling an entire prom.
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Look up the word bigot then look in the mirror.

The two are parallel and the fact you don't like it is of little consequence.
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It has nothing to do with like or dislike. It has to do with the fact one is proven to be genetic and the other is not.
 
Actually, sorry, scratch my point number two.

I DO feel sympathy for her because she DIDN'T break any rules, she actually FOLLOWED the rules by trying to go about the proper course of getting it reviewed and over turned and the gutless bigoted ****s on the school board instead choose to duck out of the issue and punish everyone else.

But of course, its all the girls fault FOR FOLLOWING THE RULES and absolutely not the extremely over reacting school :roll:
 
Erod said:
Please do not compare gay people's wishes to the plight of black America in the 60s. That is a slap in the face to Dr. King and his kind.
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Dr King and his kind? His kind were against discrimination. They made quite a thing about it. You might remember. Theirs was a fight for civil rights, period.

Someone once said, ""I am not truly free if I am taking away someone else's freedom, just as surely as I am not free when my freedom is taken from me. The oppressed and the oppressor alike are robbed of their humanity."

That would be Nelson Mandela, who presided over the first country in the World to enshrine the civil rights of all races and sexual orientations in in its constitution.
 
texmaster said:
Then accept the consequences with taking that stance. Like making everyone else suffer for your personal preference.
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Part of civil disobedience is fighting the consequences as well.
 
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