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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Her actions forced the school to either say no to her and face a lawsuit from well funded special interests, or allow her to come to the prom by which destroying the traditions and culture of the event, or three cancel it. I think the third option was the only practical one, and she deserves the scorn of the other students.
    Yes, god forbid the school should have just let her wear a tux and dance with a girl. Souls would be in peril.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes, god forbid the school should have just let her wear a tux and dance with a girl. Souls would be in peril.
    My position is not based on religion Catz.


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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    The problem is that brining the same sex date is against their rules.
    They need to change the rules then.

    If they denied her outright they would face a well funded court challenge one that even if they won would have cost them severly and cost the student.
    Probably shouldn't fight it then. Better to let the irl have her prom.

    The board is already under tight economic pressures from the recession. If it was only this one girl who didnt understand what reaction this would create, then there would be no special interest ready with lawyers and reporters.
    The expectation was that they would let the girl bring her date to the prom, not that they would ruin the prom for everyone else.

    I am embarrased[sic] that you can be so naive.
    If she wanted the prom canceled, why is she now trying to force the school to host the prom that you claim she wanted canceled?

    Not my normal, but cultural norms.
    My culture has different norms. But that aside, you think that any student asking to do something that falls outside of cultural norms is a reason to cancel the entire prom?

    Like if a hindu wanted to wear a turban to the prom? That falls outside of cultural norms. If the school said no turbans, and a student petitioned that the rules be changed so that he could wear his turban, "Oh no! We have to cancel the prom immediately!" Is that it?

    That doesnt make any sense, how is this my position? Perhaps I misunderstood you.
    The girl was told she couldn't bring a female date to the prom. She petitioned to get the rule changed through the proper channels. You are claiming that the more responsible course of action would have been to try and circumvent the rules on her own by showing up with her date and claiming that they were both attending "alone."

    strawman.
    Protecting something by getting rid of it? Seems an apt analogy to me.

    Alot of people care, because it is a purposeful act against society and our culture.
    It seems more like a girl wanting to have a prom to me.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes, god forbid the school should have just let her wear a tux and dance with a girl. Souls would be in peril.
    i see your point. the gym would catch fire and it would rain blood if they danced together.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i see your point. the gym would catch fire and it would rain blood if they danced together.
    Someone recently saw Carrie.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Someone recently saw Carrie.
    no, but the mention of a prom and souls evoked that scene.....;-)

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    They need to change the rules then.
    so says you.

    Probably shouldn't fight it then. Better to let the irl have her prom.
    No they fight by the means availble, and she lost.


    The expectation was that they would let the girl bring her date to the prom, not that they would ruin the prom for everyone else.
    That is an absurd expectation.


    If she wanted the prom canceled, why is she now trying to force the school to host the prom that you claim she wanted canceled?
    Obviously to paint herself as the good "guy".

    My culture has different norms. But that aside, you think that any student asking to do something that falls outside of cultural norms is a reason to cancel the entire prom?
    If they have a well funded special interest behind them, YES.

    Like if a hindu wanted to wear a turban to the prom? That falls outside of cultural norms. If the school said no turbans, and a student petitioned that the rules be changed so that he could wear his turban, "Oh no! We have to cancel the prom immediately!" Is that it?
    Well wearing a turban wouldnt disturb norms. BTW its the Shieks who wear turbans not the you so called man of the world.

    The girl was told she couldn't bring a female date to the prom. She petitioned to get the rule changed through the proper channels. You are claiming that the more responsible course of action would have been to try and circumvent the rules on her own by showing up with her date and claiming that they were both attending "alone."
    If she would have accepted the No, there would be a prom. She wanted rules changed the school, said no, the ACLU came in and thats a wrap for the poor kids being attacked by these social radicals.

    Protecting something by getting rid of it? Seems an apt analogy to me.
    Protecting something by refusing to demeanish it. Next year there will be a prom, if another student tries this they wont have an excuse of ignorance.


    It seems more like a girl wanting to have a prom to me.
    Not to me.


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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    My position is not based on religion Catz.
    Their position is.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    so says you.



    No they fight by the means availble, and she lost.



    That is an absurd expectation.




    Obviously to paint herself as the good "guy".


    If they have a well funded special interest behind them, YES.



    Well wearing a turban wouldnt disturb norms. BTW its the Shieks who wear turbans not the you so called man of the world.



    If she would have accepted the No, there would be a prom. She wanted rules changed the school, said no, the ACLU came in and thats a wrap for the poor kids being attacked by these social radicals.



    Protecting something by refusing to demeanish it. Next year there will be a prom, if another student tries this they wont have an excuse of ignorance.




    Not to me.
    So, if the rules would have said interracial couples will not be allowed to go to the prom together, and she was fighting to bring her black bf, with the same results, would you still see it the same way? There are still a lot of people out there that don't believe that interracial dating is moral or right, and that it goes against "traditions". Heck not all of them are white either.

    Also, the latest update is that some hotel owner in New Orleans is offering to allow them to have their prom at his hotel if the school doesn't host one. The reason is because he feels sympathy towards the girl and her cause. So, actually, this might give them a better prom and will be because of her if it happens.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Instead of debating the same points over and over and over again, lets look at the basics.

    Is this a violation of her rights as the ACLU is claiming under the 1st Amendment?

    No because the first amendment has never once included sexual preference as being under its banner.

    Does the school have the right to enforce a dress code? Yes and its well established within the law.

    Is there any law in Mississippi or at the federal level that elevates homosexual students to being forcefully accepted by the school?

    No. Only 10 states in fact do have laws forcing acceptance of homosexual students and this state is not one of them.

    Did this student being in the ACLU for the specific purpose of forcing the school to adapt to her sexual preference and clothing choice?

    Yes. They were brought in to force the school to accept her sexual preference and she obviously had every intention of showing up in her tux with her girlfriend.

    Did her direct action of bringing in the ACLU force the school to shut down the prom?

    Yes. It was and is her sole responsibility since she decided to force the issue by bringing in a socialist organization to plead her case and try to force the school to accept her sexual orientation.


    And wielding discrimination around as a hammer is incredibly dishonest since anyone who isn't allowed in from child rapists to 32 year old guys is also being "discriminated" against. Stop behaving like all discrimination is bad unless you are willing to allow everyone in regardless of any rules in place and recognize that you are only using the word discrimination because you personally approve of this particular sexual orientation.

    And for those who claim that the comparison to other sexual orientations cannot be made if you force homosexual marriage as acceptable then cite law as your basis for rejecting them are the ultimate hypocrites since the same people wish to change or write new law for homosexuality.

    You cannot hide behind law when its a sexual orientation you don't approve of like pedophilia or polygamy while at the same time demand written law banning homosexual marriage in the same breath.

    And please do not insult gender or racial bias with bias historical struggles by comparing them to a sexual orientation never once proven to be genetic. Its not only insulting, it doesn't make you look very good when you can't even prove its a genetic trait no matter how many people profess to being "born that way". I'm sure there are many pedos who would make the same claim and I doubt very much anyone here would support it.

    And no matter how many people on here scream about how society is "changing" on its views on homosexuality, gay marriage voted on by the people is still 0-31.
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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