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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They were careful not to say why they shut it down
    Of course they did. Because they knew why, but by being vague, they could explain it away with plausible deniablity. They may be discriminatory, but they're not stupid.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See all those other examples are equally trivial.

    This is just the wrong battle to pick. The prom is trivial so even if the girls win it just makes gay-rights look petty.
    I don't agree. This is a small example of a much larger problem. In no way does it make gay rights look petty. It makes it look consistent.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

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    Mississippi school sued for canceling prom over lesbian student
    A Mississippi high school faces a lawsuit over its decision to cancel its prom rather than allow a lesbian high school student to attend with her girlfriend.

    The lawsuit, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, alleges that officials at Itawamba Agricultural High School in Fulton, Mississippi, are violating the student's First Amendment right to freedom of expression.
    Mississippi school sued for canceling prom over lesbian student - CNN.com

    Most people will strongly disagree with Itawamba County's decision to call off the prom over this issue, but is it deserving of a lawsuit? To me this is just another example of the asses at the ACLU taking things a step too far.

    Since when does the school district have to sponsor a prom in order to satisfy a student's first amendment rights? To me, the decision to call of the prom was stupid, but was probably the most reasonable course of action from a legal standpoint.

    "The government, and that includes public schools, can't censor someone's free expression just because some other person might not like it."
    The school isn't "censoring free expression" by deciding not to sponsor a prom night. McMillen is free to wear her tux and dance all she wants - even organize a private event to replace the prom. If the student body is behind her like she claims, it seems that such an event might be well attended. If not - she really has no right to a captive audience.



    So now the ACLU contends the student has some "right" to a prom?

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
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    Mississippi school sued for canceling prom over lesbian student

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    Most people will strongly disagree with Itawamba County's decision to call off the prom over this issue, but is it deserving of a lawsuit? To me this is just another example of the asses at the ACLU taking things a step too far.

    Since when does the school district have to sponsor a prom in order to satisfy a student's first amendment rights? To me, the decision to call of the prom was stupid, but was probably the most reasonable course of action from a legal standpoint.
    Seems to me, from a legal standpoint, the most reasonable course of action would have been to NOT cancel the prom. That way, there would have been no lawsuit to deal with.

    The school isn't "censoring free expression" by deciding not to sponsor a prom night. McMillen is free to wear her tux and dance all she wants - even organize a private event to replace the prom. If the student body is behind her like she claims, it seems that such an event might be well attended. If not - she really has no right to a captive audience.
    This is the same kind of cop out that anti-GM folks use when they say, "gays can marry just like anyone else. Just not someone of the opposite sex... like anyone else." It is an obtuse argument and misrepresents the facts. The school didn't decide not to sponsor the prom for any reason other than the fact that this girl wanted to bring another girl as a date. Any other explanation is just a misrepresentation.



    So now the ACLU contends the student has some "right" to a prom?
    Legally, I'm not sure if the ACLU has a case. It is obvious that the school board canceled the prom because of discrimination. However, with the prom now canceled for ALL students, legally proving discrimination will be difficult if not impossible.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Seems to me, from a legal standpoint, the most reasonable course of action would have been to NOT cancel the prom. That way, there would have been no lawsuit to deal with.
    Well, duh...

    But if the school district wanted to keep to its "standards" the best way to go about it was to cancel the event. In other words, there is no place for such standards in a public school.

    This is the same kind of cop out that anti-GM folks use when they say, "gays can marry just like anyone else. Just not someone of the opposite sex... like anyone else." It is an obtuse argument and misrepresents the facts. The school didn't decide not to sponsor the prom for any reason other than the fact that this girl wanted to bring another girl as a date. Any other explanation is just a misrepresentation.
    Like I said, most people will think the decision to call of the prom is stupid. That doesn't change the fact that the school isn't "censoring free expression" by deciding not to sponsor a prom night.

    Legally, I'm not sure if the ACLU has a case. It is obvious that the school board canceled the prom because of discrimination. However, with the prom now canceled for ALL students, legally proving discrimination will be difficult if not impossible.
    If you are canceling an event for everyone, you aren't discriminating. They may have carried out that action due to bias against a gay student, but it's not illegal to be biased.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If you are canceling an event for everyone, you aren't discriminating. They may have carried out that action due to bias against a gay student, but it's not illegal to be biased.
    I suspect the law suit won't go very far, but I think this whole thing will have put down a marker.

    School boards in the future will refer to this case before making discriminatory and arbitrary decisions. I think our courageous little lesbian can feel proud of having achieved something, albeit a small thing, in the War on Bigotry.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I agree, it's ridiculous.

    A few years ago, in my school district, two gay guys went to the high school prom and with nary a peep from anyone. I only learned about it from some kids who went and it was just an incidental mention, not a big deal. "__________ was at the prom with his boy friend. They looked nice."
    Perhaps that would have been the best solution here as well...instead of announcing it weeks before and turning it into a 'cause'. Why didnt they just buy their tickets and show up?

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perhaps that would have been the best solution here as well...instead of announcing it weeks before and turning it into a 'cause'. Why didnt they just buy their tickets and show up?
    It would seem like a good idea, and might have worked. But, considering that they were told that they would have to arrive separately and they would be asked to leave if someone said anything, it sounds like the rule might have been directed at them and there probably would have been someone looking for them to arrive and deny them entry. And they definitely wouldn't have let the girl in wearing a tux. So this would probably have still come up later, the only difference would have been that the other students would have gotten their prom, oh and there definitely would have been money involved in that lawsuit.

    This girl was trying to do the responsible thing and not hide the fact that she wanted to go to the prom with her gf and wear a tux. She did the right thing in asking permission and pointing out to the school that their policies were discriminatory.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That's later, after prom, and most likely not so adult-supervised.

    I didn't put it in, because, well, I was, and still am, a huge nerd. I didn't do any of that stuff in HS and if my friends did, I didn't know about it. I was happy to have it that way. The biggest part of my Jr prom was breaking up with my date (really shouldn't have agreed to be his gf in the first place), and agreed to date a friend of mine. Actually, I'm sure there might have been some uncomfortable people at my prom if I had went to the prom with the second instead of the first, since I'm white, the guy is black, and it was a little town in the south. But at least my school still would have let me go, there would have just been some uncomfortable people.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If you are canceling an event for everyone, you aren't discriminating. They may have carried out that action due to bias against a gay student, but it's not illegal to be biased.
    But a school cannot keep same sex couples out of school events. That's why the prom was canceled. You can claim it wasn't due to discrimination, but it was 100% fueled by it. They canceled it because they didn't want gay people there. There is basis for a lawsuit, though not one that I would say would result in monetary compensation. But rather one in which results in disciplinary action against the school administrators responsible A) For the no gay couples rule and then B) For canceling the prom.

    While it is not illegal to be biased, in a professional workplace the bias must be left behind.
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