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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See all those other examples are equally trivial.

    This is just the wrong battle to pick. The prom is trivial and even if the girls win it just makes gay-rights look petty.
    And again, you miss the point entirely. It isn't about the specific event. It is about combating the kind of attitudes and abuses of powers that lead to conflict over the trivial event to start with.

    It's wholesale dishonesty to say that it is about the prom.

    And I find it very telling how you keep asserting that the pro-gay rights side should back down because they look petty over a prom while you seem to be giving a pass to the woman who totally stepped out of her authority and exerted a control over the morality of her students by denying them an event based on nothing more than her disapproval. Tells me a lot about you, actually.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The school chose the battle. The student did not choose it.
    Well the students chose the battle, the school chose to escalate it. I think the students picked the right battle. It's time to show schools that they are not going to be allowed to discriminate against gays.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not frivolous because it's not about the dance. It's about an atmosphere that this young lady endures that is so dismissive of her rights that they would punish all the children just to keep her from expressing her individuality.

    The prom thing might have been the powder keg that started the media firestorm, but you fail to acknowledge that if they did this over a big event like the prom, she surely endures this kind of discrimination every day of her life in other ways.
    The prom is not a right.

    Maybe you could argue that she was being denied something while the prom was still going to happen, but now that the whole thing is shut down she's being denied nothing.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And again, you miss the point entirely. It isn't about the specific event. It is about combating the kind of attitudes and abuses of powers that lead to conflict over the trivial event to start with.

    It's wholesale dishonesty to say that it is about the prom.

    And I find it very telling how you keep asserting that the pro-gay rights side should back down because they look petty over a prom while you seem to be giving a pass to the woman who totally stepped out of her authority and exerted a control over the morality of her students by denying them an event based on nothing more than her disapproval. Tells me a lot about you, actually.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The prom is not a right.
    No one here claimed it is. However, going to school in a reasonably safe and comfortable atmosphere without undue mental and emotional hardship being placed on you by the administration is a right.

    Maybe you could argue that she was being denied something while the prom was still going to happen, but now that the whole thing is shut down she's being denied nothing.
    Ok...maybe if I type slow, you'll read slowly:

    No one is claiming the she is being denied some fictitious "right" to the prom. What is being claimed is that this administrator was so committed to her desire to discriminate against this one student that she punished all the students when the girl exercised her legal rights to seek recourse for change and it looked like she might succeed. The woman's commitment to seeing this girl's individuality suppressed based on nothing more than a moral disapproval was so great that she created district wide mandates as an afterthought just to target this girl. And when that didn't work, she stopped the function which has now left the girl open to ridicule and the resentment of her peers all because this administrator was unable to put her prejudices aside and do her ****ing job.

    Is that a little more clear?

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    "We'll show you! We'll just CANCEL THE PROM!"

    I think it's time for some Footloose. Does anyone in town have a conveniently empty feed warehouse?

    My thoughts exactly. Now is the time for the rainbow unit to host these kids and unsanctioned prom night. Make it 10 times bigger and better than the school would have and then flip the school the bird and tell them to eat ****.

    Man, I would have given my left nut to see two chicks dancin' and makin' out at my prom. (Well, actually I did. But that's just because I was so drunk I was seeing double. But that's another talk show.)

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Brings to mind the public pools that didn't allow blacks. Then when they were told they had to integrate, they shut down instead.

    Hopefully, the same outcome from then happens again. All public schools should be told that they can't deny access to school-sponsored events when their policies are discriminatory.

    And as for the tux thing, I say as long as she's wearing something formal, what's the big deal? It's not like other people (the guys) couldn't wear that to the prom. I don't care how "traditional" it is for girls to wear a dress and guys to wear a tux. Heck, if a guy, any guy wanted to come in a dress, I'd say they should be able. The dress code would still be applied equally to everyone there, it would just not be applied due to gender (as technically it shouldn't be). It's not like a prom is an actual educational environment. It a chance for the students to socialize and have fun under adult supervision.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Brings to mind the public pools that didn't allow blacks. Then when they were told they had to integrate, they shut down instead.

    Hopefully, the same outcome from then happens again. All public schools should be told that they can't deny access to school-sponsored events when their policies are discriminatory.

    And as for the tux thing, I say as long as she's wearing something formal, what's the big deal? It's not like other people (the guys) couldn't wear that to the prom. I don't care how "traditional" it is for girls to wear a dress and guys to wear a tux. Heck, if a guy, any guy wanted to come in a dress, I'd say they should be able. The dress code would still be applied equally to everyone there, it would just not be applied due to gender (as technically it shouldn't be). It's not like a prom is an actual educational environment. It a chance for the students to socialize and have fun under adult supervision.
    And get drunk, stoned, and ****.

    You left out the best part.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    And get drunk, stoned, and ****.

    You left out the best part.
    That's later, after prom, and most likely not so adult-supervised.

    I didn't put it in, because, well, I was, and still am, a huge nerd. I didn't do any of that stuff in HS and if my friends did, I didn't know about it. I was happy to have it that way. The biggest part of my Jr prom was breaking up with my date (really shouldn't have agreed to be his gf in the first place), and agreed to date a friend of mine. Actually, I'm sure there might have been some uncomfortable people at my prom if I had went to the prom with the second instead of the first, since I'm white, the guy is black, and it was a little town in the south. But at least my school still would have let me go, there would have just been some uncomfortable people.
    I went stag to my Sr prom because it was a new school and I didn't know anyone.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not about "the prom". I would feel the same way if they had cancelled the homecoming or sadie hawkins dance, the football program, a school trip to the museum, the debate team, or honor's society over the same ignorant reasons.

    The fact that it is the prom is secondary to the real issue here.
    Yeah I can agree with that. I'm not saying there isn't cause for standing up here. I just can't get behind the "break the bank" thing for a prom. Disciplinary action against the administrators? Ok, but for something like a prom I don't think there is any call for monetary compensation.

    And to be fair, they may not even be asking for any. I think she is justified in her lawsuit and that the school cannot forbid same sex couples from attending school functions.
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