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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How did they even know that she was going to wear a tux? No one knew what anyone else was wearing when I went to proms. Did they ask for permission or some such nonsense?
    They mandated that girls had to wear dresses and guys tuxes. She asked permission to wear the tux.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How did they even know that she was going to wear a tux? No one knew what anyone else was wearing when I went to proms. Did they ask for permission or some such nonsense?
    That or she stated that she'd want to wear one. That's what it seems like in the CNN article anyway.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

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    I just can't bring myself to defend a prom. It a woman's event and the only reason guys go is to get laid.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't like the whole "break the bank" on the school thing. That just hurts a lot of people. And even though I think there can be clear argument for discrimination, huge monetary values of compensation are not required here. It was a prom. Either have it or don't. The reasonable thing to do is to say that if some lawsuit goes through that a school cannot discriminate against same sex couples at their events. Perhaps even, they cannot cancel events based on the premise that same sex couples will attend. But not large sums of money because we just do way more damage with that than we solve.
    A touching memory and time of joy has been taken from these kids and totally tainted by this woman and her refusal to think clearly. They deserve some compensation.

    I would accept this woman's dismissal to offset a reduction in that monetary compensation. Make people pay for the injustices they deal out to others and the message becomes clear: stop using your position of authority to exert your moral outrage as public policy.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Now what if this were about an interracial couple? What if much of the student body were uncomfortable with interracial dating, so the school board mandated that only couples of the same race could attend? Or maybe that they could attend, but if they made others uncomfortable, they would have to leave? This isn't really that out there for some areas. Would it still be okay for them to make such a policy?

    I've met several people in my life, even while in the military that are very uncomfortable with interracial dating. One of the white girls in boot camp was good friends with many of the black girls in boot camp with us, yet one day when we actually got a chance to socialize and share personal lives, I showed everyone a picture of my black boyfriend. Suddenly she was uncomfortable, and said she did not approve of interracial dating.
    Man why couldn't this be about something other than a prom....

    Yes that would be legal and if you don't like it you can move.

    No I don't agree with a school that would cancel an event for everyone over a superficial excuse but they have the right to do so if they want.

    People have the right to do things we don't agree with in this country.

    If that mixed couple stood their ground after the event was canceled then yes I would call them attention whores also.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How did they even know that she was going to wear a tux? No one knew what anyone else was wearing when I went to proms. Did they ask for permission or some such nonsense?
    The students received a memo explaining the rules of the prom. Proper attire for men and women among them, along with who you could bring. It's pretty common actually. I went out with an 18 yr old when I was 22, and she couldn't bring me to prom because I was too old.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    A touching memory and time of joy has been taken from these kids and totally tainted by this woman and her refusal to think clearly. They deserve some compensation.
    I don't think so. It's just prom. Sure it's nice and fun, but it's not like it's essential to life or anything. Plenty of people live happy and fulfilling lives without going to their prom.

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    stop using your position of authority to exert your moral outrage as public policy.
    I think this is appropriate. I don't know if firing is a good thing or not, I don't have any stats on the school district or whatever. Some punishment, be it maybe suspension or something like that. But other than that, just reinforce that they cannot deny same sex couples at school functions just because they don't like gay folk. It's gotta be open to the students if they're going to have the function. Of course, the flip to that is to cancel all functions, it's not outside the power of the school. There's no mandate that they have a prom.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Man why couldn't this be about something other than a prom....

    Yes that would be legal and if you don't like it you can move.

    No I don't agree with a school that would cancel an event for everyone over a superficial excuse but they have the right to do so if they want.

    People have the right to do things we don't agree with in this country.

    If that maxed couple stood their ground after the event was canceled then yes I would call them attention whores also.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    A touching memory and time of joy has been taken from these kids and totally tainted by this woman and her refusal to think clearly. They deserve some compensation.

    I would accept this woman's dismissal to offset a reduction in that monetary compensation. Make people pay for the injustices they deal out to others and the message becomes clear: stop using your position of authority to exert your moral outrage as public policy.
    The thing eating at me is this fight is over something as frivolous as a school dance.

    It cheapens the whole gay-rights movement.

    How are these girls harmed if they can't go to a dance (while one of them cross-dresses). How is this anything like being denied access to intensive care while your loved one dies alone?
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think so. It's just prom. Sure it's nice and fun, but it's not like it's essential to life or anything. Plenty of people live happy and fulfilling lives without going to their prom.
    That's not the point. If there had been no prom to start with, that would be one thing. But this woman attempted to take an event that the vast majority of kids look forward to, that was already planned, and withhold it in order to enforce a moral authority over these kids that she didn't have to start with. She did nothing illegal but she definitely put herself and the school in the line of liability for civil damages. These cases where someone does something maliciously, out of the bounds of their authority, or in negligence are why we have civil damages to start with.

    I think this is appropriate. I don't know if firing is a good thing or not, I don't have any stats on the school district or whatever. Some punishment, be it maybe suspension or something like that. But other than that, just reinforce that they cannot deny same sex couples at school functions just because they don't like gay folk. It's gotta be open to the students if they're going to have the function. Of course, the flip to that is to cancel all functions, it's not outside the power of the school. There's no mandate that they have a prom.
    Without damages being paid out as a penalty, there is nothing to reinforce the ruling. The damages aren't so much a reward to the kids for being hurt by this woman's actions; they are a penalty to remind the woman to never exert control she doesn't have authority to exert again.

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