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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

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    Just like voting for the President, equality only applies if there's a vote, but there doesn't have to be a vote at all.

    If there's a prom then everyone has to be admitted, but there doesn't even have to be a prom.
    And IF the prom is canceled, the reason matters and indicates if the school is being discriminatory or not. If it was canceled because of lack of funding or weather, this would be a completely different matter.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

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    I am not arguing that prom is a civil right. Are you actually arguing that the prom was canceled for any reason other than being discriminatory? We are not talking about a legal definition in regards to discrimination.
    Yes we are, the legal definition has bearing because the school's response was in reaction to legal action.

    As per the Lemon Test the thing you are not being allowed access to must be a civil right. School dances are not civil rights. If the school holds a dance then it has to be open to all students, but there's no mandate to have a dance at all.

    Perhaps it's over reaction but the school is perfectly within their rights to just shut the whole thing down.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And IF the prom is canceled, the reason matters and indicates if the school is being discriminatory or not. If it was canceled because of lack of funding or weather, this would be a completely different matter.
    They were careful not to say why they shut it down

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes we are, the legal definition has bearing because the school's response was in reaction to legal action.

    As per the Lemon Test the thing you are not being allowed access to must be a civil right. School dances are not civil rights. If the school holds a dance then it has to be open to all students, but there's no mandate to have a dance at all.

    Perhaps it's over reaction but the school is perfectly within their rights to just shut the whole thing down.
    It maybe within their rights, but it doesn't change the fact it was the wrong move. Prom is one of the few big things in high school that kids remember. Taking this from them for the stupid reason they did was wrong. If I were a student at that school I would still try to have a dance just without the school's help.

    Seriously canceling prom because a lesbian wanted to go with her girlfriend is just stupid.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes we are, the legal definition has bearing because the school's response was in reaction to legal action.

    As per the Lemon Test the thing you are not being allowed access to must be a civil right. School dances are not civil rights. If the school holds a dance then it has to be open to all students, but there's no mandate to have a dance at all.

    Perhaps it's over reaction but the school is perfectly within their rights to just shut the whole thing down.
    Yeah, but it's headed for legalville.

    Mississippi school sued for canceling prom over lesbian student - CNN.com

    A Mississippi high school faces a lawsuit over its decision to cancel its prom rather than allow a lesbian high school student attend with her girlfriend.

    At the center of the lawsuit is a memorandum from the school to students, dated February 5, which states that prom dates must be of the opposite sex.

    Also, when McMillen expressed a desire to wear a tuxedo to the prom, the superintendent told her only male students were allowed to wear tuxes, according to court documents.

    Superintendent Teresa McNeece also told McMillen that she and her girlfriend could be ejected from the prom if any of the other students complained about their presence there, according to the documents.

    The prom was canceled after McMillen and the ACLU tried informally to get the school to change its stance.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Good. I hope they break the bank on that school to the point the district has no choice but to let the Ms. Teresa McNeece go for her gross over reaction and all it cost the district to clean up her mess.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    It maybe within their rights, but it doesn't change the fact it was the wrong move. Prom is one of the few big things in high school that kids remember. Taking this from them for the stupid reason they did was wrong. If I were a student at that school I would still try to have a dance just without the school's help.

    Seriously canceling prom because a lesbian wanted to go with her girlfriend is just stupid.
    Yeah well, fighting for acceptance was within the girl's rights and the wrong move also.

    Wrong battle, imo.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

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    No I called her an attention whore for not backing off after everyone was suffering.

    It would be one thing is the entire student body were fighting for this, but it's just the 2 of them and the ACLU. The rest of the student body would rather have the prom.

    I guess I've already had enough of the entire unit being punished with extra PT just because 1 or 2 couldn't get their **** together.
    Now what if this were about an interracial couple? What if much of the student body were uncomfortable with interracial dating, so the school board mandated that only couples of the same race could attend? Or maybe that they could attend, but if they made others uncomfortable, they would have to leave? This isn't really that out there for some areas. Would it still be okay for them to make such a policy?

    I've met several people in my life, even while in the military that are very uncomfortable with interracial dating. One of the white girls in boot camp was good friends with many of the black girls in boot camp with us, yet one day when we actually got a chance to socialize and share personal lives, I showed everyone a picture of my black boyfriend. Suddenly she was uncomfortable, and said she did not approve of interracial dating.
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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    How did they even know that she was going to wear a tux? No one knew what anyone else was wearing when I went to proms. Did they ask for permission or some such nonsense?

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    I don't like the whole "break the bank" on the school thing. That just hurts a lot of people. And even though I think there can be clear argument for discrimination, huge monetary values of compensation are not required here. It was a prom. Either have it or don't. The reasonable thing to do is to say that if some lawsuit goes through that a school cannot discriminate against same sex couples at their events. Perhaps even, they cannot cancel events based on the premise that same sex couples will attend. But not large sums of money because we just do way more damage with that than we solve.
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