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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

    That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

    Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
    Few problems to that:

    1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
    2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
    3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.

    Not to mention that:

    1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
    2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.

    This is solely the schools fault. If they were in the right with this rule then they could just say "we're not changing it, if you want to sue sue, you'll lose" and could have the prom. If they know they're not in the right and they'd lose then they're trying to circumvent having to actually follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school. If they're unsure as to whether they'd win or not, they are still trying to potentially circumvent having to follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school.

    It should be the school buckling, not the kid.

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    Re: Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

    Having just read the article, two thoughts. Firstly, the school is obviously being ridiculously bigoted and hiding behind the term "educational distraction". This is the prom. It is not an educational endeavor. Secondly, there are plenty of kids who go to the prom with dates of the same sex as friends when they don't have an actual date... just so they can go, so again, this is bigotry by the school board against gays, and again it is no educational distraction. My only issue with the girl is that the tuxedo DOES create some undo attention to this issue, though I have known males to wear kilts to prom, so although I don't think that was a great choice, it still is no reason for the school's reaction.

    The responsibility of cancelling the prom is completely on the school and their values, and is not the student's responsibility at all.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

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    If Vauge stepped in and said "you have to give Jerry those poll options", and you responded by shutting down the poll forum, I would back off so the polls could re-open....especially upon receiving PMs from pissed off members.

    Fighting over reaction with over reaction only makes matters worse.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

    That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

    Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
    I somehow doubt you would do that, and not be instead incensed that the school was trying to make you a villain. Of course, this is unprovable, but I am fairly confident of that.

    She should not be in a position such as this. She did nothing wrong, the school overreacted. There is no reason she should be punished for doing nothing wrong.

    You called her an attention whore for daring to ask for a change to rules. Are you backing away from that now and admitting that was a huge overreaction on your part?
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If Vauge stepped in and said "you have to give Jerry those poll options", and you responded by shutting down the poll forum, I would back off so the polls could re-open....especially upon receiving PMs from pissed off members.

    Fighting over reaction with over reaction only makes matters worse.
    I would hope then that Vauge would fire my ass for gross incompetence and extreme over reaction in an effort to circumvent the rules.

    However a better example would be knowing its likely that Vauge would side with you and tell us we had to do it and thus removing polls as a pre-emptive measure.

    In that case, I'd hope you wouldn't back down on doing what you thought was right simply because the mod team completely and utterly over reacted and thus essentially allowing the mod team to win by being vindictive authoritarian ****s.

    All you'd do is essentially send a message to the membership, and to the mods, that they can just completely and utterly over react anytime they think a suggestions being made that they don't like could be put into place and they'll get away with it.

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Few problems to that:

    1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
    2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
    3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.

    Not to mention that:

    1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
    2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.

    This is solely the schools fault. If they were in the right with this rule then they could just say "we're not changing it, if you want to sue sue, you'll lose" and could have the prom. If they know they're not in the right and they'd lose then they're trying to circumvent having to actually follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school. If they're unsure as to whether they'd win or not, they are still trying to potentially circumvent having to follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school.

    It should be the school buckling, not the kid.
    So these girls take this event and go on in life to fight the bigger issue of gay marriage...

    How does this manifest later on, if they can't have gay-marriage then all "marriage" is abolished for everyone? Maybe gays like these girls didn't make the decision to abolish "marriage" but they certainly can back off and find a better solution.

    There are people on this forum who support that....
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

    That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

    Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
    The school already looks like an ass. She is following the rules, here. Sometimes, in order for a change to occur, someone has to take a hit. That's usually how change happens.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

    That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

    Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
    If only this were a better world, sure that's what would happen.

    In reality, the school would figure they won, and the other kids would have their fun at the prom and go to whatever parties they were planning on attending before all this (or whichever ones are thrown together now). The girl would be stuck home, without getting to enjoy her prom night because a bunch of adults can't grow up and learn some tolerance and how not to step on people's rights.
    Oh, and the school board would probably figure that they could keep getting away with this down the road.
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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So these girls take this event and go on in life to fight the bigger issue of gay marriage...

    How does this manifest later on, if they can't have gay-marriage then all "marriage" is abolished for everyone? Maybe gays like these girls didn't make the decision to abolish "marriage" but they certainly can back off and find a better solution.

    There are people on this forum who support that....
    Well first, your argument doesn't make sense. "Prom" isn't being abolished for EVERY school, just like "marriage" is never going to be abolished by "the gays" in any singular way from all sectors of government AND religion.

    Second, YES, if it was looking likely that it was going to be found unconstitutional to not let gays marry and so in reaction the government banishes all forms of marriage for everyone that would be the governments fault for grossly over reacting to get around following the law, NOT the people pushing for the right to be married

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    Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The school already looks like an ass. She is following the rules, here. Sometimes, in order for a change to occur, someone has to take a hit. That's usually how change happens.
    Then we should be celebrating this event, not condemning it.

    The glass is half full: that school no longer holds discriminating proms.

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