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    Re: 'I do' in DC: Same-sex couples wed in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, and any such law does not change an appendix.



    Any discussion of gay-marriage automatically precludes my marriage as I'm not gay, therefore so what if it doesn't affect my marriage. I'm effected by other people's marriages in other perfectly valid ways. I say gay-marriage does effect my marriage though symbolic interactionism, that changing the institution changes every marriage in that institution, but so what? Effecting me is not a requirement to support or oppose in any way.

    Calling back to polygamy, maybe I wouldn't want to support it because of how Obama's UHC would raise my taxes to cover additional spouses. Maybe there are special rules which I think are harmful to the economy.

    Maybe I could show how polygamy creates a step-parent dynamic within the lawfully married polygamist group and how this dynamic harms the children of that home is ways identical to step-parent couples typically do.

    Maybe there's no problem with polygamy itself, but in it's modern context legalizing polygamy would give a harmful cultural force (sharia law) political influence I'd rather they didn't have.

    It doesn't have to effect my marriage for me to oppose.
    Now you're making a whole lot of assumptions. There is a difference between stepfamilies and polygamous. Mainly in the fact that most stepfamilies don't live together. And, many of the step parents come into the family after the parents have split up, most likely having put some sort of strain on the children already. You would be a lot closer in comparing polygamous marriage with those that have live-in extended families. This is how most of my family is. Almost every child in my family has lived with people that weren't their family members for an extended length of time (1 year or greater). My sister lives with me now to help me by watching the children when I have drill, and adding an extra income to the household. This is a lot closer to polygamy than stepfamily.

    Also, there are plenty of people that used to argue, and some that still argue, that interracial relationships are harmful to the offspring of such relationships because it is hard for the children to find a place to belong. Now, I'm not saying I agree with this, but it was one of the popular arguments when interracial marriages were outlawed in almost half the states.
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    Re: 'I do' in DC: Same-sex couples wed in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Now you're making a whole lot of assumptions.
    I didn't even make one.

    I posed hypothetical arguments I might be able to make, were we actually debating polygamy if I were against polygamy. The purpose of my offering possible arguments was to counter the premise that someone's marriage must directly effect my marriage in order for me to have any grounds to object.

    To reiterate, I was not arguing against polygamy in that post. I was disproving a primes.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is a difference between stepfamilies and polygamous. Mainly in the fact that most stepfamilies don't live together. And, many of the step parents come into the family after the parents have split up, most likely having put some sort of strain on the children already.

    You would be a lot closer in comparing polygamous marriage with those that have live-in extended families. This is how most of my family is. Almost every child in my family has lived with people that weren't their family members for an extended length of time (1 year or greater). My sister lives with me now to help me by watching the children when I have drill, and adding an extra income to the household. This is a lot closer to polygamy than stepfamily.

    Also, there are plenty of people that used to argue, and some that still argue, that interracial relationships are harmful to the offspring of such relationships because it is hard for the children to find a place to belong. Now, I'm not saying I agree with this, but it was one of the popular arguments when interracial marriages were outlawed in almost half the states.
    Again, you missed the point. I was not arguing against polygamy. I was disproving the premise that someone else's marriage must effect my marriage in order for me to care.

    I don't see how anything you've said in this post substantiates that premise.
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    Re: 'I do' in DC: Same-sex couples wed in Washington

    Standard anti-gay marriage tactic: change the subject.
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    Re: 'I do' in DC: Same-sex couples wed in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Standard anti-gay marriage tactic: change the subject.
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    Re: 'I do' in DC: Same-sex couples wed in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, and any such law does not change an appendix.
    Which is exactly the point.


    Any discussion of gay-marriage automatically precludes my marriage as I'm not gay, therefore so what if it doesn't affect my marriage. I'm effected by other people's marriages in other perfectly valid ways. I say gay-marriage does effect my marriage though symbolic interactionism, that changing the institution changes every marriage in that institution, but so what? Effecting me is not a requirement to support or oppose in any way.
    How?
    Does it change the relationship you personally and legally have with your wife?
    Does it change the relationship you personally and legally have with your children (if any)?
    Does it change the validity of the commitment you make to your partner or before your god when you marry?

    It does not in actual fact effect your marraige in any material way what so ever.
    And I would suggest that if two people who you don't know and have never met are allowed to marry somehow cheapens your value of the institution that you comitted to, then you underestemate the strenght of that institution.

    Calling back to polygamy, maybe I wouldn't want to support it because of how Obama's UHC would raise my taxes to cover additional spouses. Maybe there are special rules which I think are harmful to the economy.
    Really?
    You do realize that both people would be covered prior to their nuptuals anyway.......

    Maybe I could show how polygamy creates a step-parent dynamic within the lawfully married polygamist group and how this dynamic harms the children of that home is ways identical to step-parent couples typically do.
    This is bollox.
    I am a step parent. And I'm here to tell you that just like natural parents you can make a complete dogs brekfast of it very easily. You can also make a pretty darn good job of it. It's down to an individual thing.

    Maybe there's no problem with polygamy itself, but in it's modern context legalizing polygamy would give a harmful cultural force (sharia law) political influence I'd rather they didn't have.

    It doesn't have to effect my marriage for me to oppose.
    You do realize that poligamy happens much more than you think. And it's not illegal. Every instance of adultery can be described as poligamy in the strictest sence.
    Then you have yoour serial monogamists. Those who divorce and remarry, these create the exact same situations that you fear in poligamist marraiges.

    But funnily enough, I have yet to hear a conservative come out against divorce. I'm sure they exist. I just haven't heard it that often.

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