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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Ummm...is it just me or does this woman seem a few keys short of a keyboard?
    How's that any different from your average jihadist?
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    How's that any different from your average jihadist?
    One should not confuse conviction with ignorance. The modern jihadist has much in common with the Samurai of feudal Japan, absolute dedication to a single idea even unto death.

    We may strongly disagree with that ideal, but the parallels are there just the same.

    Come to think of it, the attitude of worship towards Samurai in the West probably wouldnt be as prevalent if people, y'know, read books like Hagakure.
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    My point is, middle easterners think with a differnt brain than we do. I suspect they think, things that are logical to us in every sense, are just as foreign to their line of thought as theirs is to ours.

    Venus and mars. Impossible to relate.

    It's hardwired on both ends. How can that be fixed?
    They are not HARDWIRED differently than us. They are PROGRAMMED differently. The hardware is the same.

    If you think about the brain as a computer, it's all about the programs that you are running on it. And, frankly, I don't see a lot of difference between a jihadist threatening to kill someone over a cartoon, and the idiot who twittered her morning after pill getting death threats.

    Let's stop pretending that there aren't extremists in the U.S., both from the far left and the far right.
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    One should not confuse conviction with ignorance. The modern jihadist has much in common with the Samurai of feudal Japan, absolute dedication to a single idea even unto death.
    The "modern jihadist", as evidenced by the recent attacks, attempted attacks and various arrests, simply can't be put in that kind of neat little box. Some may very well have the Samurai heart in them and may have convinced themselves of the nobility of their absolute dedication to their cause, but from what I can tell most are either mentally unstable or too stupid to realize their faith is being manipulated by others with a different agenda.
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    First off I'm not really sure she should be classified as a "terrorist" considering her objective. Second, she's obviously got some wires loose. She's probably got some approval seeking disorder which is why she joined the religion and then sought to do something like kill someone who offended her religion. She's just a sad woman who needs psychiatric care... and maybe some shock therapy!

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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The "modern jihadist", as evidenced by the recent attacks, attempted attacks and various arrests, simply can't be put in that kind of neat little box. Some may very well have the Samurai heart in them and may have convinced themselves of the nobility of their absolute dedication to their cause, but from what I can tell most are either mentally unstable or too stupid to realize their faith is being manipulated by others with a different agenda.
    Interestingly enough, the stereotype of people who are manipulated by groups like jihadists (or cultists, the mentality is the same) of them being stupid or weak-willed is pretty much BS. The vast majority of people who get caught up in these groups are fairly intelligent (and may or may not be well educate).

    Many suicide bombers have been college educated and received advanced degrees, even studied at foreign universities.

    I'm not trying to defend or excuse the actions they take, but I think it's a mistake to write jihadists off as "stupid"
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Interestingly enough, the stereotype of people who are manipulated by groups like jihadists (or cultists, the mentality is the same) of them being stupid or weak-willed is pretty much BS. The vast majority of people who get caught up in these groups are fairly intelligent (and may or may not be well educate).

    Many suicide bombers have been college educated and received advanced degrees, even studied at foreign universities.

    I'm not trying to defend or excuse the actions they take, but I think it's a mistake to write jihadists off as "stupid"
    I tend to differentiate between academic achievement and intelligence. Too often I've seen that one does not necessarily follow the other. There are different forms of intelligence, and, on many levels, smart, educated people can be monumentally stupid and prone to be manipulated by much more intelligent, often less educated people.
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I tend to differentiate between academic achievement and intelligence. Too often I've seen that one does not necessarily follow the other.
    This is quite true and I know more than a few academics who I would classify as stupid outside their chosen field. However many of these men get degrees in engineering, architecture, chemistry, electronics, finance, to name but a few. As a polisci major, I know that you can to a certain degree fake your way through some of the soft sciences but you have to have at least some level of average intelligence to complete programs in engineering and the like. I'd like to think I'm quite intelligent and I know I couldnt handle an engineering program.

    There are different forms of intelligence, and, on many levels, smart, educated people can be monumentally stupid and prone to be manipulated by much more intelligent, often less educated people.
    But again, we see that time and time again that isnt the case. These people (be they jihadists or cultists) once you get them away from the influences of the group, are usually pretty straight people who are reasonably intelligent and not "bad" people by any stretch of the imagination. I think we need to keep in mind that ideology can be a powerful weapon if someone's life is saturated by it.
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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    it shatters any lingering thought that we can spot a terrorist based on appearance," U.S. Attorney Michael Levy said.
    If he believes that, he's an idiot.

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    Re: Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    First off I'm not really sure she should be classified as a "terrorist" considering her objective. Second, she's obviously got some wires loose. She's probably got some approval seeking disorder which is why she joined the religion and then sought to do something like kill someone who offended her religion. She's just a sad woman who needs psychiatric care... and maybe some shock therapy!
    Oh she will get shocked alright but it wont be therapy.
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