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    Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court is getting involved in the legal fight over the anti-gay protesters who show up at military funerals with inflammatory messages like "Thank God for dead soldiers."


    The court agreed Monday to consider whether the protesters' message, no matter how provocative and upsetting, is protected by the First Amendment. Members of a Kansas-based church have picketed military funerals to spread their belief that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.


    The justices will hear an appeal from the father of a Marine killed in Iraq to reinstate a $5 million verdict against the protesters, after they picketed outside his son's funeral in Maryland.

    OK, so this is going to be about free speech. No problem, except that some people don't seem to get it that, with rights, come responsibilities. You must be familiar with the notion that free speech does not grant one to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. What the Supremes will be deciding will be the extent of limitations involved in free speech. Does it give Fred Phelps the right to invade the privacy of others, and disrupt the grieving of families during funerals with this.................?



    Here is the deal, folks. God gives us the right of freedom of speech, but that does not mean that we can trample the rights of others in the process. Phelps and his klan can rant all day about whether or not "God hates fags". However, when they disrupt the funerals of soldiers, they have crossed the line, and I hope that the family of the dead soldier these punks protested gets every dime from them.

    Finally, in the picture, Mrs. Phelps is right about one thing, although I am sure she didn't intend it. Yes, I thank God every day for dead soldiers, because without those who spilled their blood to defend us, there would be no United States of America. However, unlike Mrs. Phelps, I thank those soldiers, both straight and gay, who made the ultimate sacrifice, and gave their last measure, to keep America a free nation. We all die, eventually, and I believe that our rewards in the afterlife are commensurate with how we lived our lives. In that context, I truly believe that it sucks to be part of the Phelps klan, who (IMHO) will be enshrined in everlasting shame, once they leave this world.

    Article is here.

    EDIT: Check out the picture, and see how patriotic Mrs. Phelps is, with her desecration of the flag. She is a disgusting excuse for a human being, and a waste of good oxygen.
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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    I disagree. If they are standing across the street with their picket signs, they are well within their rights. If they are barging in on a privately owned cemetery plot, then they are trespassing, which isn't a free speech issue.

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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    It's disgusting to me.

    But it is also free speech.

    The question, I would think, is: "Did they, in performing this protest, violate another person's rights or a law?"

    Not knowing the particulars, I can't answer that question.

    And no one ever said you had to be sane to freely speak.
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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It's disgusting to me.

    But it is also free speech.

    The question, I would think, is: "Did they, in performing this protest, violate another person's rights or a law?"

    Not knowing the particulars, I can't answer that question.

    And no one ever said you had to be sane to freely speak.
    That is the big question. The way I see it is that our forefathers intended rights to be based on property, and that is key. Phelps is entitled to all the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness he wants. But that is going to be limited in that he cannot trounce on someone else's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, in the process. With rights, come responsibilities.
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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    Protesting a funeral is a great way to generate hatred against your cause.

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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Protesting a funeral is a great way to generate hatred against your cause.
    That's their goal. Phelps and his group aren't a church, they're a roving group of scam artists. They say inflammatory **** to provoke responses from individuals and states, then file lawsuits and seek legal fees. Their legal fees just so happen to be paid to Phelps's law firm.

    That being said, I'd be surprised if this is anything other than a 9-0 affirm.
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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    A truly bizarre protest, clearly a case of lunatics following the insane.

    OF COURSE they have the right to protest, no matter how ignorant and unoriginal they are (it's Code Pinko Hates Fags Redux) so long as they stay on public sidewalks and off private property.

    What people who supported the Cindy Sheehan idiots say when a copy-cat group targets homos?

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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's their goal. Phelps and his group aren't a church, they're a roving group of scam artists. They say inflammatory **** to provoke responses from individuals and states, then file lawsuits and seek legal fees. Their legal fees just so happen to be paid to Phelps's law firm.

    That being said, I'd be surprised if this is anything other than a 9-0 affirm.
    So it's another example of why Lawyers should be strangled at graduation?

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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So it's another example of why Lawyers should be strangled at graduation?
    Or why more legislators should be lawyers who are smart enough to refrain from drafting obviously unconstitutional laws that give the Phelps clan a chance to file these suits.
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    Re: Court to rule in military funeral protest case

    So...if someone stands across the street from NAACP headquarters with a "Thank God for dead black people"...that's free speech?

    Certainly a grieving mother or father is just as outraged at a Thank God for dead soldiers sign.

    Should a "Thank God your daughter has been murdered" sign be tolerated as any grieving father who has had say...his daughter raped and killed and being led out of court after a guilty verdict?

    I've been to Arlington for funerals, should any in my group have seen these folk...we would have fed the lil kiddie with the target sign to the Washington DC Zoo animals and taken the parents for a hunting expedition with Dick Cheney.
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