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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I did address you in a respectful manner. Stop whining.
    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I asked you to point out where you see a risk. You never answered that question.



    Air traffic control doesn't require "undivided attention". Does a truck dispatcher require "undivided attention"? Your analogy sucks because directing air traffic is nothing like driving a car; sure, you can compare flying a plane to driving a car (although not completely, as flying a commercial airliner is much easier and much lower risk), but directing traffic is completely different.

    As I said earlier, the hysteria surrounding this event is due to the two reasons I outlined above.
    I think that I can decide what I find is showing ME disrespect. Have a nice day.

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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Me telling you that you didn't answer my question and then showing how your analogy makes no sense is engaging you in discussion; it's not my fault that you can't defend your absolutely stupid position, and have to resort to this silliness.

    And yes, that was meant to be disrespectful.
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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I think that I can decide what I find is showing ME disrespect. Have a nice day.
    That is a cop out, nothing disrespectful in that. A little strong language, but no ad-hom etc.
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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The media is freaking out. Nobody was placed in danger. Listening to the complete audio, the father even clicks in and makes several of the more complicated calls. An ATC position has more than one mic jack, usually used for training. The "instructor" jack can override the "student" jack at any time. The planes the kid was talking to already had their instructions for departure, so no actual clearances were issued besides the takeoff, which obviously occurred at the time coordinated by the Tower Dad and the departure control.

    God damn I hate the media.
    Heard this on BBC radio. Much ado about nothing. People need to get a grip.

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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't see anything wrong outside of giving the dispatcher a warning.

    No one at any time was in any danger.

    Typical overreaction.
    The warning should be something along the lines of, "hey, a bunch of people are flipping out over this so think twice before doing it again." Any sort of formal warning is an overreaction.

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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Get a grip?

    How many issues have we had in the last 10 years due to pilots and other personnel not doing their job right, drinking, falling asleep, talking to each other when it's not allowed, failing to maintain aircraft . . .and so on?

    Time and time again we're shown that people die and are seriously injured when the pilot or others aren't 100% focused when they need to be.

    So, no, I don't think anyone's overreacting.
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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Get a grip?

    How many issues have we had in the last 10 years due to pilots and other personnel not doing their job right, drinking, falling asleep, talking to each other when it's not allowed, failing to maintain aircraft . . .and so on?

    Time and time again we're shown that people die and are seriously injured when the pilot or others aren't 100% focused when they need to be.

    So, no, I don't think anyone's overreacting.
    Yes, get a grip. The kid was basically sitting on his dad's lap parroting his dad into the mic during a down time at JFK. If there was a near miss or anything of the sort, you'd have a point.

    Hell, even with a kid in the tower it is still safer to fly to your destination than to drive to the airport to board your plane.

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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    How many issues have we had in the last 10 years due to pilots and other personnel not doing their job right, drinking, falling asleep, talking to each other when it's not allowed, failing to maintain aircraft . . .and so on?
    See? This is what I mean. The security culture surrounding flying has led to the extreme hyping up of these types of issues, which in turn exacerbates the security culture and makes people more paranoid than before. The reality is that flying is the safest form of travel possible, but unfortunately that the opposite seems to be true simply because the media puts the airline industry under a microscope and blows every single issue out of proportion. Every single plane crash makes the news because of how rare they are, whereas car crashes are hardly reported on because they're so common; because of this, public perception is opposite of reality.

    Time and time again we're shown that people die and are seriously injured when the pilot or others aren't 100% focused when they need to be.
    Except that pilots are constantly not "100% focused" simply because of the fact that flying a commercial airliner is pretty much automated nowadays. Yes, accidents happen when mistakes are made, but that doesn't imply the opposite is true, which everyone knows is a blatantly ridiculous statement.

    EDIT: BTW, pilots eat, sleep and use the bathroom while flying.
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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    That's your opinion. That's fine.
    My opinion is clearly the only correct one.

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    Re: JFK tower allowed a kid to direct air traffic

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My opinion is clearly the only correct one.
    Okay. If you say so. *shrugs shoulders*

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