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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When was the last time a Republican/Conservative reduced the deficit?
    Bunning was trying to, but as usual when a Republican attempts it, the Dems shouted him down and accused him of being mean to poor out-of-work citizens.

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Bunning was trying to, but as usual when a Republican attempts it, the Dems shouted him down and accused him of being mean to poor out-of-work citizens.
    Question: Is this aid direct or indirect spending?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I'm really not interested in the partisan bickering. Care to address my comment?
    Paygo is paygo. Did they mean it, or not?

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Bunning was trying to, but as usual when a Republican attempts it, the Dems shouted him down and accused him of being mean to poor out-of-work citizens.
    Many of which are riding that gravy train as long as they possibly can. THOSE are the ones who'd benefits are being extended, not the recently laid off that are actually searching.

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Paygo is paygo. Did they mean it, or not?
    Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought paygo only applied to direct spending.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Senator Jim Bunning has finally caved, but before people start portraying him as a senile, heartless bastard, they should know what he was asking for. Simply put, he wanted the Democrats to fund the measure, so that it would not add to the already ballooning deficit.

    Yes, Jim Bunning is a senile old bastard, but he seems to be a fiscally responsible bastard, who I agree with on this issue. We expected the Democrats to try and wear him down, but what the hell is wrong with Republicans, who turned on him and hung him out to dry? All he was asking for was for Congress to FUND THE BILL, and NOT ADD TO THE DEFICIT.

    GOP <> fiscal Conervatism

    GOP = RINO

    We need a new party, folks. The Republicrats are out of control.

    Article is here.
    No, Republican does not necessarily mean conservative. In fact, conservatives are much like whooping cranes in Washington.

    I don't think he is senile, but he had the cojones to stand up and take an unpopular stand he must have known would be misconstrued as showing no compassion for the poor and downtrodden. We need more people who are willing to stand up and say, "Hey, didn't we just pass a pay as you go? Are we going to ignore it already? Let's pay for this measure!"

    Somewhere, someone has to stand up and say, enough is enough. We can't continue to fund the government by printing more money or borrowing it.

    Sure, extending unemployment benefits was the right thing to do. Paying the rent is the right thing to do, too, but the tenant can't continue to put it on the MasterCard.
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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When was the last time a Republican/Conservative reduced the deficit?
    Richard Nixon did so in 1969. He was the last conservative president. Since then all Republican presidents have been fascists, not conservatives. They've gone so far to the right, they make arch conservative Dick Nixon look like a liberal. The Democrats today are the conservative party, the Greens are the liberals, and the Republicans are the fascists. The Republican Party is 100 percent owned by the corporations and does not represent the interests of the American people one iota.

    The Republican Party started two unnecessary wars that had nothing to do with defending the country, which have massively run up the deficits. Now they're complaining about deficit spending in the mess they created.

    The way to get the budget back in balance is to pull out of both wars!

    The next step, which would not have anything to do with balancing the budget, but which would be the right thing to do, would be to arrest George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice and put them on trial for crimes against humanity. They deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison for betraying their country.

    And shame on the evil people who supported them. Anyone who votes Republican betrays their country every bit as much as if they supported Al Quaida. The Republican Party is a fascist party and is the enemy of the United States. It's unAmerican to vote Republican.

    Obama is far, far too conservative. He won't have George W. Bush arrested for treason even though it's obvious he should. Justice would be if George W. Bush spent the rest of his life in a small cell wearing an orange prison jumpsuit and eating bologna sandwiches and if the Republican Party were abandoned by the American people and died, if all Americans finally had affordable health care. And, yes, if our budget were finally in balance, and never again unbalanced by the Fascist Republican Party.

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    From your own link:
    Yes, I saw that, hence my question at the end of the reply. However, there was this from the paragraph which followed:

    The estimated costs of P.L. 108-1 are somewhat different when estimated using more current economic and technical assumptions. Using updated assumptions, CBO estimates that outlays stemming from the new law in fiscal year 2003 will rise to $7.6 billion, that the five-year net total will be $6.8 billion, and that the net budgetary impact for the 2003-2013 period will be $6.3 billion. Outlays in 2003 will be higher than under the March 2002 baseline assumptions largely because CBO's current estimates for unemployment compensation reflect a higher average benefit received by unemployed individuals. Also, as a result of a less favorable outlook for balances in the federal unemployment trust fund, no future transfers to the state accounts are expected in the next several years, even without the enactment of P.L. 108-1. Consequently, we now expect this legislation to have a much smaller effect on state unemployment taxes over the 2003-2013 period than under the March 2002 assumptions.

    If you look at the table below that, the revenue shown, does not offset even close to the entire cost, $1.2 million. Unless I added it up wrong.

    I just don't see that this was paid for. But then maybe I'm still not getting it.

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    This is how I see this one:

    1. Debt spending to boost the economy during crisis:
    - good use of debt spending, a good investment

    2. Finding fat to trim off the too-large government to avoid or to reduce the amount of debt needed to fund arguably critical job spending, especially in this time of high debt and spending:
    - good. And good use of leverage to get two things "good" done at once

    3. The political risk of obstructing *for even very good reasons* a jobs bill at this time?
    - Too high for conservatives to back him.

    So it's most likely the voting public that is at fault. If they don't force their representitives to reduce debt and spending, they won't, and shouldn't (arguably) do it.

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    Re: Senate OKs jobless aid after Sen. Bunning relents

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Richard Nixon did so in 1969. He was the last conservative president. Since then all Republican presidents have been fascists, not conservatives. They've gone so far to the right, they make arch conservative Dick Nixon look like a liberal. The Democrats today are the conservative party, the Greens are the liberals, and the Republicans are the fascists. The Republican Party is 100 percent owned by the corporations and does not represent the interests of the American people one iota.

    The Republican Party started two unnecessary wars that had nothing to do with defending the country, which have massively run up the deficits. Now they're complaining about deficit spending in the mess they created.

    The way to get the budget back in balance is to pull out of both wars!

    The next step, which would not have anything to do with balancing the budget, but which would be the right thing to do, would be to arrest George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice and put them on trial for crimes against humanity. They deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison for betraying their country.

    And shame on the evil people who supported them. Anyone who votes Republican betrays their country every bit as much as if they supported Al Quaida. The Republican Party is a fascist party and is the enemy of the United States. It's unAmerican to vote Republican.

    Obama is far, far too conservative. He won't have George W. Bush arrested for treason even though it's obvious he should. Justice would be if George W. Bush spent the rest of his life in a small cell wearing an orange prison jumpsuit and eating bologna sandwiches and if the Republican Party were abandoned by the American people and died, if all Americans finally had affordable health care. And, yes, if our budget were finally in balance, and never again unbalanced by the Fascist Republican Party.
    What a load of garbage... I don't even know where to start, so I'll just throw out this little tidbit for you.

    Obama's Stimulus Bill cost almost as much as all war operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wars have cost $944 billion dollars in total since 9/11. Obama's stimulus is costing us $787 billion.

    The war costs are tiny when compared to the drunken binge Obama's been on.

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