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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The idea that ACC will cause dramatic, and sudden effects is bull****, however, the idea is completely sound. Global climate change is occurring, and over the course of a few hundred years, it will change the way the world looks.

    At this point, the process has already started in terms of a positive feedback loop, and there really isn't anything we can do except adapt to the changes as they come.
    Now here I can agree with you. Climate change is happening. It's not that it suddenly began and now we're ****ed, it's that climate change has always been an ongoing process. My position is that there's very little locally, and nothing globally, man can do to alter it. It's a natural process perhaps negligibly impacted by our presence.

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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    ...mmmmmm curly fries....

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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Now here I can agree with you. Climate change is happening. It's not that it suddenly began and now we're ****ed, it's that climate change has always been an ongoing process. My position is that there's very little locally, and nothing globally, man can do to alter it. It's a natural process perhaps negligibly impacted by our presence.

    Light-bulbs shaped like curly fries will not save the day.
    I disagree with you there. I think we have impacted the natural cycles, and started the chain of events that will (eventually) lead to some change in our environment. Not trying to be a pessimist, but that will probably be a bad change. I guess all we could hypothetically do to reverse the problem is convert excess carbon into dry ice, and then launch it in giant torpedoes into the ocean. That isn't incredibly expensive, and once we remove the CO2, it stays out of the way.

    PERMANENT STORAGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT
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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I disagree with you there. I think we have impacted the natural cycles, and started the chain of events that will (eventually) lead to some change in our environment. Not trying to be a pessimist, but that will probably be a bad change. I guess all we could hypothetically do to reverse the problem is convert excess carbon into dry ice, and then launch it in giant torpedoes into the ocean. That isn't incredibly expensive, and once we remove the CO2, it stays out of the way.

    PERMANENT STORAGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT
    I appreciate the efforts put into such storage, but imo storing nuclear fuel is of greater importance. After we have that issue perfectly resolved, then I might be interested in looking into storing excess CO2.

    I respect your argument, I just think there are more pressing matters right now.

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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ethanol is a sop to big agriculture that does more harm in production than it saves in pollution. We should get out of the corn-gasoline business. Ethanol is not a "green" fuel, it's a political payoff to a special interest group.
    I have read that in producing ethanol on 20% new fuel is actually produced.
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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In 1991 Mount Pinatubo put more pollutants into the air with one belch then did all mankind, ever. 19 years later we're still here and everything is just fine.
    Sorry, have to call BS on that post.

    "According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

    Human Emissions Also Dwarf Volcanoes in Carbon Dioxide Production
    Another indication that human emissions dwarf those of volcanoes is the fact that atmospheric CO2 levels, as measured by sampling stations around the world set up by the federally funded Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, have gone up consistently year after year regardless of whether or not there have been major volcanic eruptions in specific years. “If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in carbon dioxide concentrations, then these carbon dioxide records would be full of spikes—one for each eruption,” says Coby Beck, a journalist writing for online environmental news portal Grist.org. “Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.”

    Volcanoes and Greenhouse Gases - Do Volcanoes Generate More Greenhouse Gas Than Humans?
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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sorry, have to call BS on that post.
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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    http://archive.glennbeck.com/dayaftertomorrow/poster-1-350-tn.jpg
    So a movie poster is what you back up your false claim's with???

    When you find something to refute this.......

    "According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

    Human Emissions Also Dwarf Volcanoes in Carbon Dioxide Production
    Another indication that human emissions dwarf those of volcanoes is the fact that atmospheric CO2 levels, as measured by sampling stations around the world set up by the federally funded Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, have gone up consistently year after year regardless of whether or not there have been major volcanic eruptions in specific years. “If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in carbon dioxide concentrations, then these carbon dioxide records would be full of spikes—one for each eruption,” says Coby Beck, a journalist writing for online environmental news portal Grist.org. “Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.”

    Volcanoes and Greenhouse Gases - Do Volcanoes Generate More Greenhouse Gas Than Humans?

    ......please let us know!
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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So a movie poster is what you back up your false claim's with???
    .....erm, yea-YEAH, that's a movie poster, that's what that was....

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    When you find something to refute this.......

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    Re: Green fuels cause more harm than fossil fuels, according to report

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I disagree with you there. I think we have impacted the natural cycles, and started the chain of events that will (eventually) lead to some change in our environment.[/url]
    I'm sure it DOES look like that from your classroom window..

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