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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    no bridge between hazlewood and mercy at UPMC....



    That said. 30 hrs? he could have been carried thier or found a way.
    Seriously, what is it, about 15 blocks, max? Maybe UPMC was full, or something.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

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    "Alcohol abuse and gallstones are the two main causes of pancreatitis, accounting for 80%-90% of all cases. "

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    There are other reasons for it. I had gallstones during pregnancy.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post

    If his neighbors could have carried him, a very treacherous thing to do in a driving snow storm, then again, ABLE BODIED, WELL CONDITIONED ambulance workers could have walked to the door.

    Yes they could of, they didn't and the neighbors didnt either. That will teach the ambulance drivers!


    at what cost though? The mans life.




    This blame the sick victim mentality is ridiculous. He was sick and in severe pain. You guys keep saying he could have walked, should have walked but once more I point out, able bodied ambulance workers were a football field away.


    able bodied neighbors were also a football field away. I am not claiming the ambulance drivers were not in the wrong. I am stating however, that the residents and neighbors could have adapted to a bad situation better.




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    ""... You get out of that damn truck and you walk to the residence," Huss said. "That's what needed to happen. We could have carried him out."



    So the door was as far as the sick man's life was worth.
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

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    There are other reasons for it. I had gallstones during pregnancy.



    I know that, I left out women, specifically cause this was a d00d.
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Seriously, what is it, about 15 blocks, max? Maybe UPMC was full, or something.



    2.2 miles. 8 mins by car, 45 mins walking. In snow, i'd give it 2 hrs.....

    A HELL of a lot better than 30 hrs



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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes they could of, they didn't and the neighbors didnt either. That will teach the ambulance drivers!


    at what cost though? The mans life.
    Huh? What will teach the ambulance drivers?



    able bodied neighbors were also a football field away. I am not claiming the ambulance drivers were not in the wrong. I am stating however, that the residents and neighbors could have adapted to a bad situation better.

    from the article:


    ""... You get out of that damn truck and you walk to the residence," Huss said. "That's what needed to happen. We could have carried him out."



    So the door was as far as the sick man's life was worth.
    You don't know the condition of the neighbors, but we know the condition of the ambulance workers.

    Some neighborhoods are not so blessed as to have people ready to CARRY someone (which is difficult in dry clear weather) in driving snow to ABLE BODIED ambulance drivers. If you think it was so easy for non-professionals, it would have been even easier for trained personnel to do it.

    Even their administrator is appalled and is not placing any blame on a sick man. It was their job to go to aide of a sick person.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Huh? What will teach the ambulance drivers?





    You don't know the condition of the neighbors, but we know the condition of the ambulance workers.

    Some neighborhoods are not so blessed as to have people ready to CARRY someone (which is difficult in dry clear weather) in driving snow to ABLE BODIED ambulance drivers. If you think it was so easy for non-professionals, it would have been even easier for trained personnel to do it.

    Even their administrator is appalled and is not placing any blame on a sick man. It was their job to go to aide of a sick person.




    My point is, your outrage at the ambulance drivers and thier systems is not unjustified. My point is, 30 freaking hours, and he waited to die. you would think that after an hour they would try to figure something else out.


    2.2 miles. what a damn shame.....
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    My point is, your outrage at the ambulance drivers and thier systems is not unjustified. My point is, 30 freaking hours, and he waited to die. you would think that after an hour they would try to figure something else out.


    2.2 miles. what a damn shame.....
    Alternatives in a severe storm are very limited. His wife says she had no idea he was dying. He had taken his sleeping medication so it's not odd for her to assume he was sleeping. They were trying to be patient and reasonable, given the conditions. The story says there was no screaming or yelling as they accepted it would be difficult for the ambulance to get there.

    I just can't blame a sick man in this situation. They were told to walk to ambulance. Maybe she should have yelled and screamed, telling them if they think it's so easy for a sick man to get there, they should have no problem being well themselves.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Alternatives in a severe storm are very limited. His wife says she had no idea he was dying. He had taken his sleeping medication so it's not odd for her to assume he was sleeping. They were trying to be patient and reasonable, given the conditions. The story says there was no screaming or yelling as they accepted it would be difficult for the ambulance to get there.

    So then equally the paramedics thought this man was not in great peril based on the symptoms relayed. to me if he was sick enough to need 911 called, it was life or death.

    All parties should have done what is neccessary to get the man the medical attention he needed.


    I just can't blame a sick man in this situation. They were told to walk to ambulance. Maybe she should have yelled and screamed, telling them if they think it's so easy for a sick man to get there, they should have no problem being well themselves.


    I don't blame the man himself, I do think that others around him sat around waiting to be rescued, when in fact, they had 30 hrs to figure out how to get a sick man 2.2 miles, and on more than one occasion get him a football field length. Not saying the paramedics were right, I'm saying take some personal responsibility for your and yours lives.... and do what needs to be done.


    These people didn't and unfortunatley, this is what happens... Like I said initially, Ghosts of NOLO.....
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Bear in mind, though...he's an older guy, in ill health. Perhaps they didn't have nearby relatives or family support. He doesn't own a car. Public transportation is completely shut down. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't describe this as an emergency on the 9/11 call...prior pancreatitis, shortness of breath, etc.

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