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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You need training to pick someone up and put them on your shoulder?



    That's kind of a moot point when the patient dies.



    That's fair enough, I suppose. If that's the case, the laws should be changed. I'm not sure that I would have sat in the ambulance and waited for him to die, though. That's just the kind of guy I am...



    I'm sure you would have tried to do something, being a non-wimp and all...

    I mean, they couldn't just walk 400 meters to the guy's house and assess the situation? It's not like they were in Antarctica or something...
    But it's not JUST them that needs to be taken into consideration. There are many factors. Risk to themselves, risk of losing their jobs, risk of being sued, risk to the patient. And remember, while this guy ultimately did die, the call did not come in as a life threatening situation. If you had someone call, the call was deemed non-life threatening, would you risk injury to yourself, risk your job, and risk further injury to the patient in order to go get them? It's not like it was a cardiac arrest, a bleed out, or a burning building.

    As for the fireman's carry... no, one doesn't require training to physically accomplish the task. But if you do something outside of your training, you open yourself up to injury without compensation and a lawsuit.

    I'm not saying it's right, I'm just telling it like it is. It's not as simple as "they should have gone to the house".

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    I've worked in this community, extensively, and I am not at all surprised that this happened. Pittsburgh is hard to get around in when it snows, it's hilly and has dozens of bridges. There also is a significant and noticeable bias towards poor blacks in neighborhoods like Hazelwood.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Only one of his neighbors has a car? And not one of them has a helicopter.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Only one of his neighbors has a car? And not one of them has a helicopter.
    In that neighborhood, it isn't surprising.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've worked in this community, extensively, and I am not at all surprised that this happened. Pittsburgh is hard to get around in when it snows, it's hilly and has dozens of bridges. There also is a significant and noticeable bias towards poor blacks in neighborhoods like Hazelwood.


    no bridge between hazlewood and mercy at UPMC....



    That said. 30 hrs? he could have been carried thier or found a way.
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I don't know what to say about this without more information. I think at very least, the calls should have not been treated like new calls.

    However, if the medical personnel cannot get through, they cannot get through. Earlier, the problem was not considered life threatening. So should they risk their lives to get to someone who waited a week to call for help? The article said the man had been in pain all week after having been hospitalized for pancreatis for 9 days last month. He knew a wicked storm was coming. Didn't he think it wise to get it checked out before the Heavens opened up and started dumping tons of snow? I know I would have.

    The headline is misleading. The calls were not unheeded. The ambulance drivers could not get through.

    It's sad, and perhaps 911 did some things wrong. But it's not entirely their fault.
    Nearly 30 hours later and 10 calls from the couple to 911, four 911 calls to them and at least a dozen calls between 911 and paramedics Curtis Mitchell died at his home. His electricity knocked out, his heat long off, the 50-year-old former steelworker waited, huddled beneath blankets on his sofa.
    how was he to know the pain (for which he had already been prescribed pankillers) was that unusual? he did not wait a week to call for help, he had been home a week when his pain got worse.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how was he to know the pain (for which he had already been prescribed pankillers) was that unusual? he did not wait a week to call for help, he had been home a week when his pain got worse.



    he called 911 30 hours prior. He had an inkling.
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    he called 911 30 hours prior. He had an inkling.
    yes, he did call 911 30 hours prior, when he had more pain.

    clearly, he had pain when he was released from the hospital, because he was prescribed medication.

    if the ambulance drivers advised HIM to walk, they damned well could have walked to get him. i hope they lose their jobs.

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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, he did call 911 30 hours prior, when he had more pain.

    clearly, he had pain when he was released from the hospital, because he was prescribed medication.

    if the ambulance drivers advised HIM to walk, they damned well could have walked to get him. i hope they lose their jobs.



    This all may be true, however we don't know all the facts, but anyway is dying worth winning the argument? I don't think so.
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    Re: PA. Man dies during storm when 911 calls unheeded

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This all may be true, however we don't know all the facts, but anyway is dying worth winning the argument? I don't think so.
    seems we know a lot of the facts. the man wasn't capable of walking, clearly. he died, remember, so i doubt he was faking it.

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