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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Most presidential elections favor the Republican party because of their national defense stance. That doesn't mean 50% of voters are Republicans. I'd also like to see the history and percentage of voting in congressional elections. That would provide more accurate numbers.
    So you are saying democrats vote for the GOP? That is hard to believe with the hate we hear on the TV and here at DP.

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you are saying democrats vote for the GOP? That is hard to believe with the hate we hear on the TV and here at DP.
    Yeah, some Democrats do vote for GOP presidents. One Republican president who was voted in with the help of Democrats was Ronald Reagan. Another reason why Republicans get voted into the presidency is because of foreign policy issues. The president has many foreign policy powers that are difficult for Congress to check against. However, for domestic policies, it is up to Congress to write the laws, which the President either signs into law or vetoes. This means it's more difficult for a president to implement domestic policy on his own, and requires the support of Congress to push his domestic legislation through.

    Mostly what I'm saying is that I think you can't go just by presidential electoral numbers to determine the ideology of the United States, but should also factor into it congressional electoral numbers. I think they would be interesting to compare.

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yeah, some Democrats do vote for GOP presidents. One Republican president who was voted in with the help of Democrats was Ronald Reagan. Another reason why Republicans get voted into the presidency is because of foreign policy issues. The president has many foreign policy powers that are difficult for Congress to check against. However, for domestic policies, it is up to Congress to write the laws, which the President either signs into law or vetoes. This means it's more difficult for a president to implement domestic policy on his own, and requires the support of Congress to push his domestic legislation through.

    Mostly what I'm saying is that I think you can't go just by presidential electoral numbers to determine the ideology of the United States, but should also factor into it congressional electoral numbers. I think they would be interesting to compare.

    Thats nice but both come from Wiki. Is one wrong. How can the largest party lose elections?

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats nice but both come from Wiki. Is one wrong. How can the largest party lose elections?
    Well, your stats don't list membership in the Democratic Party or the GOP. All it lists is the percentage of people who vote for Presidents. It doesn't take into account things such as a president from one party being elected but congress getting a majority in the other party. This happened with Bill Clinton getting a GOP congress, and with G.W. Bush getting a Democratic congress. Thus, going only by presidential elections can be quite misleading.

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I doubt she even understands the history behind the name they chose.
    I can't think of any especially relevant history, care to relate?
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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, your stats don't list membership in the Democratic Party or the GOP. All it lists is the percentage of people who vote for Presidents. It doesn't take into account things such as a president from one party being elected but congress getting a majority in the other party. This happened with Bill Clinton getting a GOP congress, and with G.W. Bush getting a Democratic congress. Thus, going only by presidential elections can be quite misleading.
    It would appear people are fed up and leaving both parties to become independents.


    Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports



    In February, the number of voters not affiliated with either major party increased by half a percentage point as both Republicans and Democrats lost further ground.

    The number of Democrats declined slightly for the fourth straight month. At 35.1%, the number of Democrats is down slightly from a month ago, down six percentage points from a year ago, and is at the lowest level recorded in more than seven years of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports. See the History of Party Trends from January 2004 to the present.

    Also in February, the number of Republicans declined for the second straight month. At 32.1% the number of Republicans is down a point-and-a-half from a year ago but is in the middle of the range the party has occupied for the past two years.

    The number of adults not affiliated with either major party is now up to 32.9%. That matches the all-time high recorded twice during the summer of 2007.

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It would appear people are fed up and leaving both parties to become independents.


    Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports



    In February, the number of voters not affiliated with either major party increased by half a percentage point as both Republicans and Democrats lost further ground.

    The number of Democrats declined slightly for the fourth straight month. At 35.1%, the number of Democrats is down slightly from a month ago, down six percentage points from a year ago, and is at the lowest level recorded in more than seven years of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports. See the History of Party Trends from January 2004 to the present.

    Also in February, the number of Republicans declined for the second straight month. At 32.1% the number of Republicans is down a point-and-a-half from a year ago but is in the middle of the range the party has occupied for the past two years.

    The number of adults not affiliated with either major party is now up to 32.9%. That matches the all-time high recorded twice during the summer of 2007.
    Yeah, I don't blame those independents for leaving the parties. And I think that is what all these "party" movements are for. Tea Parties are for conservative (but not necessarily GOP) voters while the Coffee Parties may try to be for liberal (but not necessarily Democratic) voters. Until we get electoral reform, this may be the chosest thing we get to a multi-party system. Then again, it could also devolve into a situation in which the leaders of these Tea and Coffee Parties will become the heads of these voter blocs and then basically sell those votes to whichever politician gives them the money or the influence in the amount they demand. It's important to keep these Tea Parties and Coffee Parties from becoming just another cog of corruption in politics.

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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said Liberal is a political party. I said that only 20% of American identify themselves as being Liberals.
    But you guys on the hard core right accuse all the moderates of being liberals, even the center right ones.
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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Speaking of astroturfing...

    Instapundit Blog Archive KINDA DIFFERENT FROM THE “TEA PARTY” COVERAGE: Soft-focus reporting on the “coffee party.” Plus, f…

    So the New York Times article describes the Coffee Party’s origin thus:

    “The snowballing response made her the de facto coordinator of Coffee Party USA, with goals far loftier than its oopsy-daisy origin: promote civility and inclusiveness in political discourse, engage the government not as an enemy but as the collective will of the people, push leaders to enact the progressive change for which 52.9 percent of the country voted in 2008.”

    Except the woman mentioned as starting it-Annabel Park-is not some Jane Shmo who got thrust into it by accident, she’s a career activist. A fact that is not exactly hidden either. The first results for her name on google bring up her Linkedin: Profile Not Found .

    Spoiler: the only private sector work listed is “Strategy Analyst: The New York Times”
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    Re: Coffee Party activists say their civic brew's a tastier choice than Tea Party's

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I can't think of any especially relevant history, care to relate?
    The Tea Party is inaccurately invoking the Boston Tea Party.
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