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N.Y. High School Sued for Disbanding Christian Student Club

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The school says they are disbanding other clubs too, but the Christians say that they've been given obstacles all along, and are being discriminated against.

I'm glad there is now a Christian legal defense group, since there are cases of discrimination against Christians. Being that this is located in NY city, I suspect that there is a prejudice against Christians that is coming to play here.

N.Y. High School Sued for Disbanding Christian Student Club - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

A "Christ-centered" legal group has filed a federal lawsuit against a high school in New York, accusing it of religious discrimination after it disbanded a student Christian club while leaving dozens of other clubs active.

The Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund claims the Christian club, called Ichthus, was cancelled without notice after being in operation for four years.

ADF filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Islip on behalf of a student at Half Hollow Hills High School East in the Long Island town of Dix Hills.

ADF attorney David Cortman said Ichthus was disbanded even though there was student interest in keeping it going.

"This is pure and simple a case of viewpoint discrimination against Christian students," Cortman told Fox News. "This is a school that has 60 student clubs. They have, of course, a gay-straight alliance; they have a fashion club, which is important because we all have to look good; they have a future lawyers of America, which it is obvious why they didn’t cancel their club.

"They also have a club that deals with the Constitution, which is probably a good club for school officials to take.

"But what is interesting here is that [of] all those clubs, they decide to deny the Christian club."

But Dr. Sheldon Karnilow, the district superintendent, denies that disbanding the club was a discrimination issue. He said the decision was strictly budgetary.

"We don't discriminate in any way, shape or form," he said. "As long as it's a legitimate club with student interest that is not harmful to students, we let a club run."

Karnilow said the school principal is the one who decides which clubs to keep open, based on two criteria: student interest and the availability of a willing faculty adviser. He said the funding for Ichthus was cut "along with about 16 other clubs.
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If this was a Muslim club it may not have been a problem and Obama would have come to the rescue had it been a Koran study group.

Anyone else notice Obama just about stopped going to Christian Church all together after the election? I guess pretending to be a Christian isn't needed any more.

Can't wait to see if the All Communist Lovers United or (ACLU) takes up the fight for the School.
 
Oh god here comes the White Christian Persecution Train.
 
Deuce said:
Oh god here comes the White Christian Persecution Train.
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I'm sure the 'I hate Christianity and everything associated with it" troops will come to derail it. :rolleyes:
 
Councilman said:
If this was a Muslim club it may not have been a problem and Obama would have come to the rescue had it been a Koran study group.

Anyone else notice Obama just about stopped going to Christian Church all together after the election? I guess pretending to be a Christian isn't needed any more.

Can't wait to see if the All Communist Lovers United or (ACLU) takes up the fight for the School.
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Have to hand to Obama though dont you

He created a fake birth certificate (the day he was born), to hide the fact he was born in Kenya, he went to a black nationist christian church for decades in order to hide the fact he is a muslim.

His ability to conspire to become the first muslim who was not born in America to become president from the day he was born is a sign of greatness.

I think America is in great hands with Obama, anyone able to pull those over the eyes of America for 40+ years, has to be good
 
Councilman said:
If this was a Muslim club it may not have been a problem and Obama would have come to the rescue had it been a Koran study group.

Anyone else notice Obama just about stopped going to Christian Church all together after the election? I guess pretending to be a Christian isn't needed any more.
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:roll: President Obama has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. If you want to bash him, then please begin another thread (in a Politics forum) for that purpose.
 
Karnilow said the school principal is the one who decides which clubs to keep open, based on two criteria: student interest and the availability of a willing faculty adviser. He said the funding for Ichthus was cut "along with about 16 other clubs.
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It appears that what happened with Ichthus also happened with 16 other clubs. Non-story.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
The school says they are disbanding other clubs too, but the Christians say that they've been given obstacles all along, and are being discriminated against.

I'm glad there is now a Christian legal defense group, since there are cases of discrimination against Christians. Being that this is located in NY city, I suspect that there is a prejudice against Christians that is coming to play here.

N.Y. High School Sued for Disbanding Christian Student Club - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
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If you want to read the actual lawsuit, then you can do so by clicking here.

In the lawsuit, the plaintiffs state that the defendants used vague and unwritten criteria for determining whether or not the Ichthus Club was eligible to exist at the plaintiff's school.

Whether or not the school practiced religious discrimination I do not know. However, in the USA a party accused of wrongdoing is considered innocent until proven guilty. That policy applies to the defendants in the aforementioned lawsuit. I hope that Christians won't use a double standard by assuming guilt until proven innocent.
 
Deuce said:
Oh god here comes the White Christian Persecution Train.
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Even worse, here are the identity politics with the assumption that all Christians are white. Or, that all other religions are non-white...:rofl.

Ultimately, for the Leftists, it ain't about Christians vs. write in religion here, it's about white and everybody else.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It appears that what happened with Ichthus also happened with 16 other clubs. Non-story.
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I would be very interested to see what other clubs were disbanded. I'll bet that we'll notice a definite PC tone to the decisions.
 
apdst said:
I would be very interested to see what other clubs were disbanded. I'll bet that we'll notice a definite PC tone to the decisions.
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Or maybe you will try to read PC tones into it.
 
Goyboy said:
If you want to read the actual lawsuit, then you can do so by clicking here.

In the lawsuit, the plaintiffs state that the defendants used vague and unwritten criteria for determining whether or not the Ichthus Club was eligible to exist at the plaintiff's school.

Whether or not the school practiced religious discrimination I do not know. However, in the USA a party accused of wrongdoing is considered innocent until proven guilty. That policy applies to the defendants in the aforementioned lawsuit. I hope that Christians won't use a double standard by assuming guilt until proven innocent.
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Have you even read the court case you are urging others to read?

If you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of the school.


Here are some facts from the lawsuit:

There are over 60 active clubs on campus

In 2005 when they tried to start the Christian club, they were denied repeatedly and only when they hired a lawyer did the school finally give in.

Then the school began to cancel their meetings citing "conflicts" in the schedule. This went on for months. Clearly an attempt to attack the organizational power of the club.

When they disbanded the club they gave no reason and it wasn't until they were pressed they claimed "fiscal management" and "lack of participation" despite the fact they had 55 members and 90 students who signed a petition that the club should be reinstated.

The students even offered to pay for ALL expenses and still the school board denied the reinstatement of the club and instead said they could meet at another high school.

They even proposed to reduce their meetings to bi weekly to cut down on the "cost" the school was complaining about and still were denied.

These are very reasonable negotiation points this club tried in good faith to make and the school still denied them.

Then the school claimed they would deny it due to "enrollment standards" but then refused to explain what those standards were even to repeated public requests.

This is classic anti-Christian behavior from an obviously discriminatory school board hell bent on denying these kids their right to form a club.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It appears that what happened with Ichthus also happened with 16 other clubs. Non-story.
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If that were true then why did they have to hire a lawyer just to get the club started? Explain that.
 
What I mean is that white christians act like the entire world is out to get them, that the entire world hates everything that christians do, that they're some poor persecuted minority that can't defend themselves.

If you think a white christian man has it rough in America, open your eyes.

I don't hate christians at all. I have several good friends who are devoutly religious. Hearing them talk about how same-sex marriage is "radical movement trying to impose its agenda on them" drives me nuts, though. You guys understand it is presently your agenda imposed on others, right?
 
texmaster said:
Have you even read the court case you are urging others to read?

If you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of the school.
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Excuse me, but how do you think I know what the plaintiffs are saying about vague and unwritten criteria?

I did read the lawsuit filed, but I also know that what I read is just one side of the argument. I haven't read or heard the other side's argument as presented by the other side.

The defendant in any lawsuit is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and the Internet isn't a court of law.

If a case of religious discrimination is proven in a court of law, then I expect the defendants to be justly punished. However, such a case has not yet been proven in a court of law. So, I will not pass judgement on the defendants in the aforementioned lawsuit.
 
Councilman said:
If this was a Muslim club it may not have been a problem and Obama would have come to the rescue had it been a Koran study group.

Anyone else notice Obama just about stopped going to Christian Church all together after the election? I guess pretending to be a Christian isn't needed any more.

Can't wait to see if the All Communist Lovers United or (ACLU) takes up the fight for the School.
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This thread is NOT about Obama. Stop trolling.
 
Does anyone have this story coming from a reliable news outlet?
 
texmaster said:
Have you even read the court case you are urging others to read?

If you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of the school.


Here are some facts from the lawsuit:

There are over 60 active clubs on campus

In 2005 when they tried to start the Christian club, they were denied repeatedly and only when they hired a lawyer did the school finally give in.

Then the school began to cancel their meetings citing "conflicts" in the schedule. This went on for months. Clearly an attempt to attack the organizational power of the club.

When they disbanded the club they gave no reason and it wasn't until they were pressed they claimed "fiscal management" and "lack of participation" despite the fact they had 55 members and 90 students who signed a petition that the club should be reinstated.

The students even offered to pay for ALL expenses and still the school board denied the reinstatement of the club and instead said they could meet at another high school.

They even proposed to reduce their meetings to bi weekly to cut down on the "cost" the school was complaining about and still were denied.

These are very reasonable negotiation points this club tried in good faith to make and the school still denied them.

Then the school claimed they would deny it due to "enrollment standards" but then refused to explain what those standards were even to repeated public requests.

This is classic anti-Christian behavior from an obviously discriminatory school board hell bent on denying these kids their right to form a club.
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Thank you for presenting these points so well.
 
Hoplite said:
Does anyone have this story coming from a reliable news outlet?
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Oh, do you want to complain about Fox News covering a story ignored by more liberal news outlets? Maybe take your beef to Bias in the Media and keep it off this thread, ok?
 
Deuce said:
What I mean is that white christians act like the entire world is out to get them, that the entire world hates everything that christians do, that they're some poor persecuted minority that can't defend themselves.

If you think a white christian man has it rough in America, open your eyes.

I don't hate christians at all. I have several good friends who are devoutly religious. Hearing them talk about how same-sex marriage is "radical movement trying to impose its agenda on them" drives me nuts, though. You guys understand it is presently your agenda imposed on others, right?
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What the hell does race have to do with it being a Christian group? You do realize blacks in the US are predominantly Christian correct?

PS Hispanics also make up a huge portion of Catholics and Christians as well. So I can't for the life of me figure out what race has to do with it.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
Oh, do you want to complain about Fox News covering a story ignored by more liberal news outlets? Maybe take your beef to Bias in the Media and keep it off this thread, ok?
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I dont trust FOX as a valid news outlet and I want to know if any other news outlet is carrying the story.

A big red flag that something is a bad story is if only a small handful of no/low-name sources are covering it, regardless of who those sources are.
 
Hoplite said:
I dont trust FOX as a valid news outlet and I want to know if any other news outlet is carrying the story.

A big red flag that something is a bad story is if only a small handful of no/low-name sources are covering it, regardless of who those sources are.
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This thread is not about Fox News and whether you like or trust them, ok?:cool:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
This thread is not about Fox News and whether you like or trust them, ok?:cool:
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You made a statement, I responded.

Now, do you have alternate trustworthy sources for the OP?
 
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