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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    40% of all the space shuttles have exploded killing their crews. Two out of five.

    I am glad that the space shuttle program is over. It was a program that delved the depths of human hubris and misjudgment more than the cluttered space of low to middle earth orbit.

    Manned space flight makes no sense to me at this time. Too much time, money and energy is needed in pushing water and oxygen up and bringing astronauts back down.

    I believe robotic space exploration is the way to go for the foreseeable future and the Hubble space telescope demonstrates that the people's imagination and support can be obtained by such.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    40% of all the space shuttles have exploded killing their crews. Two out of five.

    I am glad that the space shuttle program is over. It was a program that delved the depths of human hubris and misjudgment more than the cluttered space of low to middle earth orbit.

    Manned space flight makes no sense to me at this time. Too much time, money and energy is needed in pushing water and oxygen up and bringing astronauts back down.

    I believe robotic space exploration is the way to go for the foreseeable future and the Hubble space telescope demonstrates that the people's imagination and support can be obtained by such.
    This is pretty much it. The between-flight maintenance required for the shuttle was grossly underestimated by the designers. It's certainly understandable, nobody had ever done anything like this before. In the end, it turned out to be too expensive, we're better off with one-time use vehicles, which is what the Ares-V was supposed to get back to.

    Little strapped for cash at the moment so we might have to put that on the back-burner.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    40% of all the space shuttles have exploded killing their crews. Two out of five.
    We're not talking about the Space Shuttle. We're talking about the cancellation of the Constellation program and the Ares rocket. Obama has basically destroyed a pillar of American society and any hopes for continued advance in space exploration.

    I am glad that the space shuttle program is over. It was a program that delved the depths of human hubris and misjudgment more than the cluttered space of low to middle earth orbit.

    Manned space flight makes no sense to me at this time. Too much time, money and energy is needed in pushing water and oxygen up and bringing astronauts back down.
    Actually, too much time, money, and energy is being used to subsidize the living costs of America's welfare class. Space exploration is a worthwhile venture; paying for some fools cable subscription is not.

    I believe robotic space exploration is the way to go for the foreseeable future and the Hubble space telescope demonstrates that the people's imagination and support can be obtained by such.
    And who fixes the Hubble when its broken?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post

    And who fixes the Hubble when its broken?
    Indian tech support.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Space exploration is a worthwhile venture; paying for some fools cable subscription is not.
    So true. We Melmacians benefited greatly from space exploration. That's how we found a home on Earth after we accidentally blew up Melmac.

    . . . and that's how Mankind will find a new home outside of the Earth's solar system . . . before the Sun dies, that is.



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    And who fixes the Hubble when its broken?
    Sorry, I'm not available for that job, but I have a friend who is.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    We're not talking about the Space Shuttle. We're talking about the cancellation of the Constellation program and the Ares rocket. …
    We're talking about both retirement of the the space shuttle program (7,000 jobs) and cancellation of the Constellation program (2,000 additional jobs).

    George W. Bush retired the space shuttle program and Barack H. Obama canceled the Constellation program.

    I concur with both decisions. We're not going back to the moon: Been there, done that. And, without that mission Constellation can't be justified.

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    … Obama has basically destroyed a pillar of American society …
    Really? I find it interesting that you lean Libertarian. What part of the following sentiment do you disagree?

    “The market will drive where space vehicles are launched from. And if we believe in Florida that we have the birthright to spaceflight operations, we're going to be the Pittsburgh of the steel industry and the Detroit of the car industry.” — Mark Nappi, vice president of launch and recovery systems for United Space Alliance, NASA's prime contractor for shuttle operations¹

    Face it, there's no manned mission on the horizon that is uniquely assignable to N.A.S.A. A Libertarian, I would think, would say, “Good riddance.”

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    … Obama has basically destroyed … any hopes for continued advance in space exploration. …
    Nonsense. But, manned space exploration is on hiatus.

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    … And who fixes the Hubble when its broken?
    The next generation of space-based telescopes are already being prepared.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

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    So the government has this thing, you see, it's called the "Constitution". Maybe you've heard of it, maybe you haven't. Some people have heard of it, and not read it. Many people have read it and don't understand it.

    But there are two relevant duties the Constitution imposes on the federal government.

    One of those is national defense. That's not supposed to be subcontracted out. Maintaining US manned access to space is a national defense priority.

    The other duty the federal government has is the construction of "post roads". Again, developing the road to the future means taking a turn past Canaveral to get to the moon. No moon equals no future.

    The private developers have the resources to shoot a Romin' Candle to the top of the atmosphere, and watch it fall down. Cool, yes. Commericially viable, not. While the kiddies are playing with their bottle rockets the United States is confronted with very serious threats from China and Russia, not to mention other countries subsidizing their space launch infrastructure. The Shuttle's dying, and good riddance to a crappy design. Four of the last five presidents have had no excuse to delay the shuttle's replacement, but they all found excuses.

    So, while the US government dithers, while it wastes $500 billion medicare fraud, and who knows how many billion on education fraud, and god alone knows how much on failed "stimulus" pork, the rest of the world is moving forward to secure the next and final high ground. Which will leave the US at a military and economic disadvantage.

    The fact you need to face is that rich boys building toys simply do not have the resources to establish a free market presence in orbit, let alone the moon, which must be our national goal.
    National defense priority? In a pigs eye. It's just something to spend money on. We already have a national defense that was built on the space program. It is called nuclear missiles.

    Kind of funny that you call yourself a Conservative, when you support unnecessary government spending like this. Read your Constitution again, and show me where it says that government spending like this is written into it. NOTE - I am half expecting you to mention the "general welfare" clause, like the Liberals do.

    Meanwhile, let those who get laid off from NASA find something in the private sector.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    George W. Bush retired the space shuttle program...
    Yes, it was being replaced with the Ares rocket.

    ...and Barack H. Obama canceled the Constellation program.
    He'd rather NASA concentrate on climate change...

    I concur with both decisions. We're not going back to the moon: Been there, done that. And, without that mission Constellation can't be justified.
    We walked on the moon, so that must mean we've done everything worth doing in space. Good point.

    Really? I find it interesting that you lean Libertarian. What part of the following sentiment do you disagree?

    “The market will drive where space vehicles are launched from. And if we believe in Florida that we have the birthright to spaceflight operations, we're going to be the Pittsburgh of the steel industry and the Detroit of the car industry.” — Mark Nappi, vice president of launch and recovery systems for United Space Alliance, NASA's prime contractor for shuttle operations¹
    The part about the market taking over space travel.

    Face it, there's no manned mission on the horizon that is uniquely assignable to N.A.S.A. A Libertarian, I would think, would say, “Good riddance.”
    I totally agree. What private company wouldn't want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on something that isn't profitable?

    Nonsense. But, manned space exploration is on hiatus.
    Allow me to rephrase: Obama has destroyed any hope for substantial advances in space exploration.

    The next generation of space-based telescopes are already being prepared.
    Questions usually necessitate relevant answers. Let' try again...

    Who repairs the Hubble telescope?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    National defense priority? In a pigs eye. It's just something to spend money on. We already have a national defense that was built on the space program. It is called nuclear missiles.

    Kind of funny that you call yourself a Conservative, when you support unnecessary government spending like this. Read your Constitution again, and show me where it says that government spending like this is written into it. NOTE - I am half expecting you to mention the "general welfare" clause, like the Liberals do.

    Meanwhile, let those who get laid off from NASA find something in the private sector.
    Where does the Constitution limit the amount of defense spending the government may engage in?

    Hint: It doesn't.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Where does the Constitution limit the amount of defense spending the government may engage in?

    Hint: It doesn't.
    No, it doesn't. It doesn't limit other kinds of pork either. We trust Congress to keep the budget balanced, and not to throw away our tax dollars needlessly........ What do you mean it's not balanced? Some idiots we are. LOL.
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