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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because robots won't be mining the mineral resources on the moon, or defending them, and Americans won't be on THEIR moon if your Messiah is allowed kill Constellation and Ares.
    My Messiah is Christ Jesus. Who is yours?

    By the way, in 1967 the USA ratified the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

    Article II of the treaty states, "Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."

    In short, the USA doesn't own the Moon.

    Article IV of the treaty states the following:
    "States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner. The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden."

    China and Russia both signed onto the treaty. So, who is supposed to shoot at the USA from the Moon?
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    My Messiah is Christ Jesus. Who is yours?

    By the way, in 1967 the USA ratified the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

    Article II of the treaty states, "Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."

    In short, the USA doesn't own the Moon.

    Article IV of the treaty states the following:
    "States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner. The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden."

    China and Russia both signed onto the treaty. So, who is supposed to shoot at the USA from the Moon?
    Maybe not the moon, but any all out war will include shooting down satellites, and both sides will be launching up new ones right away to try to replace them. There is no doubt about that, because there are many weapons that need GPS and there are many other satellites the military uses.

    A couple videos related to those satellites:

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpPwMu3foGg"]YouTube- The Truth About GPS: How it works[/nomedia]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev4NuHiNEfA"]YouTube- AF Space Command in the Fight[/ame]

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    For what it's worth, I never said that I agree with President Obama's proposal to cancel the Constellation program.

    Also, what I am wanting is for people to understand the ultimate reason for going into outer space.

    Former NASA administrator Michael D. Griffin said, "But the goal isn't just scientific exploration . . . it's also about extending the range of human habitat out from Earth into the solar system as we go forward in time. . . . In the long run a single-planet species will not survive." [Quote Source]

    During the first season of the TV show Babylon 5, character Commander Jeffrey Sinclair explains why it is necessary for humans to be in outer space. In short, humans have to find a home somewhere outside of the Earth's star system because a time will come when the Earth's sun dies, resulting in the extinction of all life within the Earth's star system.

    Although Babylon 5 is fictional, its message about the ultimate death of our Sun is accurate. That is the ultimate reason for humans entering outer space - to find a new home for humanity.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You know why? Because it isn't profitable. Know why? Because it uses up more resources than we gain from it.
    Just like the Interstate Highway system.

    Oh, wait, the Interstates, a constitutionally valid "post road", helped the nation grow, and space exploration has helped the US grow, too. Go figure.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Actually, it does.



    Why can't machines? That's not a self-evident claim.
    I've asked my computer many times to go out and change the brakes on my van. The wimply thing just sits there on the desk and won't do it.

    Some jobs take a man.

    The important ones.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Just like the Interstate Highway system.

    Oh, wait, the Interstates, a constitutionally valid "post road", helped the nation grow, and space exploration has helped the US grow, too. Go figure.
    Scarecrow, I don't mind you advocating space exploration, but you are taking the expression "post road" out of its constitutional context.

    "A post road is a road designated for the transportation of postal mail." - Wikipedia
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    My Messiah is Christ Jesus. Who is yours?
    Me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    By the way, in 1967 the USA ratified the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

    Article II of the treaty states, "Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."

    In short, the USA doesn't own the Moon.
    So, what do you think the strength of a treaty is when it was signed when absolutely no one had the ability to put men on the moon and no knowledge of the wealth up there, when there are now several countries vying for resources on a global scale?

    Hmmm?

    Oh, and do I say the US owns the moon anywhere here? So what was the point of your non sequitur, any? To pretend that the nation that first goes up to seize and exploit the water found there will have to "share" with everyone? That does't work in the real world, bud. If the Chinese go up first and start mining ice, they're not going to let the US pick up a shovel next to them, just like the US wouldn't let them, either.

    No one tolerates claim jumpers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    Article IV of the treaty states the following:
    "States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner. The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden."

    China and Russia both signed onto the treaty. So, who is supposed to shoot at the USA from the Moon?
    China or Russia.

    Explain the options if China ships nuclear weapons to it's lunar base without the formaility of telling us about it.

    Hint: don't place your faith in old books or pieces of paper. Understand the evil that lurks in all men.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    Scarecrow, I don't mind you advocating space exploration, but you are taking the expression "post road" out of its constitutional context.

    "A post road is a road designated for the transportation of postal mail." - Wikipedia
    Ah, wiki. Wiki never has any errors or misconceptions.



    So what happens when an American is living on the Chinese Moon colony?

    Will it be okay to build the space elevator then to deliver letters to Neil Armstrong X?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, and do I say the US owns the moon anywhere here?
    Scarecrow, in Post #44 you wrote, "Because robots won't be mining the mineral resources on the moon, or defending them, and Americans won't be on THEIR moon if your Messiah is allowed kill Constellation and Ares." Your statement implies that the Moon is owned by the Americans.

    By the way, the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary defines "post road" as "a route over which mail is carried".

    The Constitutional Dictionary defines a "post road" as "a road over which mail is carried".

    The U.S. Constitution doesn't require the U.S. government to send people into outer space, even if it were a good idea to do so.

    Again, I don't mind you promoting the sending of Americans into outer space. However, your attempt to use the U.S. Constitution to justify your position falls as flat as a lead balloon.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    My Messiah is Christ Jesus. Who is yours?

    By the way, in 1967 the USA ratified the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

    Article II of the treaty states, "Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."

    In short, the USA doesn't own the Moon.

    Article IV of the treaty states the following:
    "States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner. The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden."

    China and Russia both signed onto the treaty. So, who is supposed to shoot at the USA from the Moon?
    Those are just words on a piece of paper.

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