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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Man, if my cell phone bill goes up more than a dollar a month, I am going to complain!!!!
    Commie wants the US taxpayer to subsidize your cell phone bill

    j/k

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    US manned access to space is a national defense priority.
    In case you weren't aware of the fact, the U.S. military maintains a presence in outer space via the Air Force Space Command located at Vandenberg Air Force Base. . . and, no, national defense doesn't require people to actually be in outer space. National defense is being maintained through unmanned space missions. If you believe that manned missions are needed (without help from other nations) in order to maintain national defense, then please explain why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The other duty the federal government has is the construction of "post roads". Again, developing the road to the future means taking a turn past Canaveral to get to the moon.
    Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution says, "The Congress shall have Power To . . . establish Post Offices and post Roads."
    The phrase "post Roads" doesn't mean "the road to the future". The phrase means that Congress has to power to establish physical roads to be used to deliver mail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    . . . developing the road to the future means taking a turn past Canaveral to get to the moon. No moon equals no future. . . the moon, which must be our national goal.
    Oh? Why is that? Your evidence to support your claim is . . . ???
    If you are going to claim that Americans need to return to the Moon, then please explain why.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    We Melmacians understand the need for manned space flight, but the Florida Today story quoted says nothing to its readers about why you humans need to be in outer space. The story merely complains about the upcoming loss of civilian jobs.

    Sure, I understand the hardship of losing one's job (just as I lost my "orbit guard" job when we Melmacians blew up our own planet). I also understand the need for the federal government to control the cost of space exploration during a time when the federal government has a huge budget deficit and an even larger national debt. Sadly, what is best for Brevard County, Florida isn't necessarily best for the nation.

    The first question to be considered is this one:

    Is Uncle Sam supposed to give money to NASA in order to prepare Mankind to escape a far-distant-future calamity, or is Uncle Sam supposed to give money to NASA just to prevent civilians from becoming unemployed?

    Second question:

    If a cheaper and better way to produce manned space flights were to be found, and if that way were to result in the elimination of some government jobs, then would you support the cheaper and better way knowing that some people on the government payroll would lose their jobs?

    Third question:

    If a cheaper and better way to produce manned space flights were to be found, and if that way were to result in manned space flight taking place somewhere other than in Florida, then would you support the cheaper and better way knowing that it would result in jobs leaving Florida?

    [Oh, for the record, while in my human guise, I was permanently laid-off my job in 2008 - and I hadn't blown up anything. So I personally understand the anguish and trouble that comes with losing one's job due to no fault of one's own.]
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I like how President Bush's administration canceling the shuttle is somehow President Obama's fault.
    Cancelling the Aries and Constellation programs is your Messiah's fault. That's the important part. The Shuttle a dinosaur, and a poory designed dinosaur at that. It was going to fail anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Besides, the shuttle ended up costing way more than it was supposed to.
    That's because it's design was modified by politicians, not engineers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The re-usable launch vehicle turned out to be outrageously expensive to maintain.
    You mean the partially resusable vehicle.

    The original concept had a supersonic carrier craft to get the orbiter to the top of the atmosphere before it's engines ignited, giving it greater launch versatility and shorter turn around times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The inspection and replacement of all the heat-shielding after reentry costs a fortune.
    That's the nature of poor design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The Ares rockets were supposed to eventually replace the shuttle, but I think those are being shelved for now due to budgetary constraints.
    Yes. The Messiah figures to plug a $500B gap in Medicaid with a$55B cut in the national technological future. Socialists are so friggin' short sighted and stupid, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We still have regular rockets to launch all those mind-reading satellites, though, so conspiracy theorists have nothing to fear... err... well, you know what I mean.
    Right.

    The destruction of the Columbia put the LSAT mission on the skids. Originally designed to be launched in a vertical configuration as a simply supported beam (ie, pinned connections at both ends of the spacecraft to isolate the satellite from the launch vehicle structural load path) it was now required to be launched on a Titan or equivalent booster mounted as a vertical cantilver (ie, secured at the bottom with the connection carrying the full mass and load factor of the satellite, and reacting the moments as well). This configuration required a complete re-design of the satellite's structural truss and it was determined that it was not physically possible to construct a truss of that length with the mass distribution of the instrument that would meet the strength and stiffness constraints of the launch vehicle inside the payload capability of the rocket without greatly exceeding the budget allocated for the project.

    Other space missions are being facing similar constraints due to the nation's failure to provide a suitable heavy lift launch vehicle in time to replace the decrepit shuttle.

    The James Webb Space Telescope will be launched on a French Ariane V because the US does not have the Ares.

    US manned access to space will be contingent upon the good will of the Russians and Chinese, the only two nations possessing active manned space programs after the demise of the shuttle and the Messiah's short-sighted cuts.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Your reference to the Iraq war situation is particularly apt. Just like it's ridiculous to act like Obama is responsible for the orderly winding down and decreased fatalities in Iraq when all he's doing is following Bush's plan, it's equally ridiculous to act like Obama is responsible for the retirement of the space shuttle when all he's doing is following Bush's plan.
    The issue isn't the termination of the Shuttle program, though IMO the Shuttle should be kept operational until the Ares/Constellation programs come on line, the issue is that the Messiah wants to kill the Ares and Constellation programs, in effect giving the moon to China.

    THIS is why owing money to foreign countries is DANGEROUS.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I love how the right wing is so quick to cry when one of their favorite useless programs is cut back or canceled. My first job in the civilian world was at a test reactor where materials were exposed to bursts of radiation with a long term goal of building submarine reactors that last longer. The engineers already knew from previous testing what to expect, but "there was money left in the budget" and they were going to retest and retest to use it all up.
    Hmmm....so space exploration is "useless"? Has no relation to national defense or commercial success?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So the people who build the F22, F35, who also operate space launches are too stupid to build and launch rockets (despite the fact they already do)

    They dont have the budget because the government previously subsidied space launches. Now with the government out of the way, prices will rise in order to meet the true costs of putting objects into space.

    So I think the person who fails here is you
    Right.

    When France, Russia, China, India, and every other Tom, Dick, and Harry of a country is subsidizing their commercial launch efforts?

    You have even the slightest grip on reality, or is that pig just too thorougly greased to handle?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I love how the right wing is so quick to cry when one of their favorite useless programs is cut back or canceled.
    The space program is useless? You can't be serious.

    And "right-wing"? The last time I checked, JFK was a Democrat. The space-program is American - that's probably why Obama wants to get rid of it and concentrate on the AGW hoax...

    My first job in the civilian world was at a test reactor where materials were exposed to bursts of radiation with a long term goal of building submarine reactors that last longer. The engineers already knew from previous testing what to expect, but "there was money left in the budget" and they were going to retest and retest to use it all up.
    So, because some guys you worked with wasted tax money, the space program is useless?



    How does that work?

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So the people who build the F22, F35, who also operate space launches are too stupid to build and launch rockets (despite the fact they already do)

    They dont have the budget because the government previously subsidied space launches. Now with the government out of the way, prices will rise in order to meet the true costs of putting objects into space.

    So I think the person who fails here is you
    Wait, let me get this straight...you think the private sector is going to invest billions and even trillions of dollars in space exploration when there is virtually zero profit to be had? Please, explain this business model to me...

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Like paying for you Rx benefits. If that's your picture I guess you'll be needing them soon. Maybe there some other social programs we could get going again, like midnight basketball. We could buy more condoms for high schools kids, since they won't need to study math and science anymore they can just **** around all day. What do we need math and science for if we reducing the military and eliminating the space program. It's high time we dumped JFK's legacy anyway, now that Teddy is dead and buried.
    Yeah, because I meant social programs. You know me, always advocating those social programs.

    When I say money can be spent for more worthwhile ventures, I mean giving people that money back so that they can choose what to do with it.

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