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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, you support socialized Space Exportation.
    No.

    I support national defense.

    Socialism is evil.

    I don't support evil.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    First off, that's a terrible argument. National defense isn't an inherent good.
    No?

    Tell that to the guys still manning the USS Arizona.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    At some point you have more defense than you need and in starts to cut into things that people really want unnecessarily.
    True.

    Good thing space isn't one of those things. But we should quit with the US Strategic Helium Reserve, ya think?

    And it's not a matter of wants, it's a matter of what the Constitution both requires and allows. When almot 70% of the US budget is dedicated to clear violations of the Constitution, it's clear where the damage to what people "want" is coming from. The current state of space exploration makes government involvement a Constitutional requirement.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Secondly, what does the shuttle program have to do with national defense?
    Hello? Shuttle launches often contain Airforce and NSA secret payloads that aren't talked about. Welcome to the real world, buddy.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Good. Free up that money for more worthwhile and necessary ventures.
    Like paying for you Rx benefits. If that's your picture I guess you'll be needing them soon. Maybe there some other social programs we could get going again, like midnight basketball. We could buy more condoms for high schools kids, since they won't need to study math and science anymore they can just **** around all day. What do we need math and science for if we reducing the military and eliminating the space program. It's high time we dumped JFK's legacy anyway, now that Teddy is dead and buried.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    How soon they forget. Here's a flashback to 2008 when the final decision was made. Who was the incumbent President then?

    "The Shuttle program is scheduled for mandatory retirement in 2010. The program has been criticized for failing to achieve its promised cost and utility goals, as well as design, cost, management, and safety issues.

    The total cost of the Shuttle program has been $145 billion as of early 2005 , and is estimated to be $174 billion when the Shuttle retires in 2010. NASA’s budget for 2005 allocated 30%, or $5 billion, to Space Shuttle operations; this was decreased in 2006 to a request of $4.3 billion. ... "

    Space Shuttle will be retired in 2010 | Kevin Colby: News and Political blog
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    I like how President Bush's administration canceling the shuttle is somehow President Obama's fault.

    Besides, the shuttle ended up costing way more than it was supposed to. The re-usable launch vehicle turned out to be outrageously expensive to maintain. The inspection and replacement of all the heat-shielding after reentry costs a fortune. The Ares rockets were supposed to eventually replace the shuttle, but I think those are being shelved for now due to budgetary constraints.

    We still have regular rockets to launch all those mind-reading satellites, though, so conspiracy theorists have nothing to fear... err... well, you know what I mean.
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Good point, I always hate it when politicians cancel inefficient government programs and cut a couple billion in wasteful federal spending.

    (let's ignore the fact that it was Bush who canceled the Shuttle and play along with Scarecrow's theory)
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, the Messiah's message of hope for the future, by actually destroying efforts to build that future, will destroy hope as well.

    But it'll make the Chinese and Russians happy.


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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Good point, I always hate it when politicians cancel inefficient government programs and cut a couple billion in wasteful federal spending.

    (let's ignore the fact that it was Bush who canceled the Shuttle and play along with Scarecrow's theory)
    I think you lefties will be blaming President Bush for everything that happens for the next 50 years........

    Now Obama is taking credit for winning the war in Iraq and he was dead set against the surge and funding the war.......
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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think you lefties will be blaming President Bush for everything that happens for the next 50 years........

    Now Obama is taking credit for winning the war in Iraq and he was dead set against the surge and funding the war.......
    Maybe it was the bush administration that decided to retire the shuttle progam but it was Obama that decided to pull the funding for the new program.

    Obama will go down in history as the President that killed the US space program.

    Kennedy would not be happy about this.

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    Re: 23,000 now expected to lose jobs after shuttle retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think you lefties will be blaming President Bush for everything that happens for the next 50 years........

    Now Obama is taking credit for winning the war in Iraq and he was dead set against the surge and funding the war.......


    Navy, take a step back for a second. I don't think I really qualify as a lefty, and I'm not "blaming Bush," I'm giving him credit for this because he was the one who ordered it.

    Shuttle retirement still on for 2010 - Sun Sentinel

    President Barack Obama dashed the hopes of thousands of Kennedy Space Center workers Thursday when he agreed to continue a Bush administration plan to retire the space shuttle in 2010.
    Your reference to the Iraq war situation is particularly apt. Just like it's ridiculous to act like Obama is responsible for the orderly winding down and decreased fatalities in Iraq when all he's doing is following Bush's plan, it's equally ridiculous to act like Obama is responsible for the retirement of the space shuttle when all he's doing is following Bush's plan.
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