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    Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections | Reuters

    On vote of 315-97, the House of Representatives approved the bill, a day after it cleared the Senate. It now heads to President Barack Obama to sign into law.

    The Obama administration wanted to extend the measure because of provisions it says are important in tracking suspected terrorists, including roving wiretaps to track multiple communications devices. But some lawmakers wanted additional privacy measures to protect against abuses.

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    The extended provisions include: authority for "roving wiretaps" to track an individual's use of multiple communications devices; gaining access to certain personal and business records; and tracking so-called "lone wolf" suspects who are not members of an organized enemy group.
    Now that the Dems have reauthorized the PATRIOT Act in all its library-searchin', wiretap-gettin', lone wolf-trackin' glory, maybe that can be an end to the unnecessary partisanship we saw over this issue during the past 9 years. I recognize that there are many people (on both sides) who oppose the PATRIOT Act and various provisions for all sorts of principled reasons, and I don't mean to imply that I think there's anything wrong with that. What I did not approve of were those who opposed the bill simply to gain a partisan advantage. Now that both sides have acknowledged that this is necessary, maybe we can see a ratcheting down of tensions over issues like this.
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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    I would venture to say that fewer than 10% of the members of either house of Congress have yet to read this craziness.

    When it was first past I personally ask then Congress man Bob Barr about this and he said that he and possibly a couple of others took time to read it for themselves. Most rely on sketchy reports from others much like the phony health bills.

    I do seem to remember some hyperbole from the left that Bush had gone too far with it.

    So does that mean it's okay now because Obama's minions have said well it's okay now that we're in charge.

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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I would venture to say that fewer than 10% of the members of either house of Congress have yet to read this craziness.

    When it was first past I personally ask then Congress man Bob Barr about this and he said that he and possibly a couple of others took time to read it for themselves. Most rely on sketchy reports from others much like the phony health bills.

    I do seem to remember some hyperbole from the left that Bush had gone too far with it.

    So does that mean it's okay now because Obama's minions have said well it's okay now that we're in charge.

    No, not ok. Encroachment on the trappings of our freedom is encroachment no matter who is in charge. It is a shame that the demogogic voices of fear and authoritarianism have again succeeded in making lawmakers afraid to do anything to fix this legislation.

    Obama is a cowardly weenie for not fighting this. Bush was delighted with the bill because he IS an authoritarian.

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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

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    Now that the Dems have reauthorized the PATRIOT Act in all its library-searchin', wiretap-gettin', lone wolf-trackin' glory, maybe that can be an end to the unnecessary partisanship we saw over this issue during the past 9 years. I recognize that there are many people (on both sides) who oppose the PATRIOT Act and various provisions for all sorts of principled reasons, and I don't mean to imply that I think there's anything wrong with that. What I did not approve of were those who opposed the bill simply to gain a partisan advantage. Now that both sides have acknowledged that this is necessary, maybe we can see a ratcheting down of tensions over issues like this.
    I don't think so. I think it would be more accurate to say that politicians on both sides may have acknowledged it's necessity, but I'm willing to bet that voters on both sides still want it repealed. The tension won't ratchet down at all when it comes to the Patriot Act, at least not for voters opposed to it.

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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't think so. I think it would be more accurate to say that politicians on both sides may have acknowledged it's necessity, but I'm willing to bet that voters on both sides still want it repealed. The tension won't ratchet down at all when it comes to the Patriot Act, at least not for voters opposed to it.
    In fact, it might well ratchet up, as opponents to the act realize that many politicans they thought were against it are not.
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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, not ok. Encroachment on the trappings of our freedom is encroachment no matter who is in charge. It is a shame that the demogogic voices of fear and authoritarianism have again succeeded in making lawmakers afraid to do anything to fix this legislation.

    Obama is a cowardly weenie for not fighting this. Bush was delighted with the bill because he IS an authoritarian.
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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Obama is a cowardly weenie for not fighting this. Bush was delighted with the bill because he IS an authoritarian.
    Obama is a control freak (and yes, a coward), Bush is an authoritarian. Is there really a significant difference?
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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Obama is a control freak (and yes, a coward), Bush is an authoritarian. Is there really a significant difference?
    On what sort of grounds do people label Obama a coward anyway? I'm genuinely curious about that particular label.
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    Re: Congress extends Patriot Act, no new protections

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't think so. I think it would be more accurate to say that politicians on both sides may have acknowledged it's necessity, but I'm willing to bet that voters on both sides still want it repealed. The tension won't ratchet down at all when it comes to the Patriot Act, at least not for voters opposed to it.
    I don't think that's actually the case. The most recent polling data on the patriot act is pretty old (Jan. 06), but even then, the public thought it was a good thing by a 53-30 margin. I would be surprised to find that a majority opposed it now.
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