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Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outraged

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American said:
Contrary to good old common sense. Damn, a police escort out of the room. You know most school police are real police officers? I wonder if he pulled his gun. ;)
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Not he...they...TWO police officers. You would think that between the teacher, the principals office and the call to the two cops, of that group of at LEAST 4 people at least ONE of them would have used their brain...used their head for more than just a conveeeeenient place to hang their hat...
 
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jamesrage said:
I think many people just use their religion as a shield especially during times of war to weasel out of military service just like some of the jews in Israel do. So I think these people are just using their religion to be anti-American/unpatriotic.
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Do you honestly believe that repeating some words that someone else wrote every day makes that person more patriotic? :roll:

Religion isn't the only thing people use to weasel out of military duty.

You do know that Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist
 
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The kid shoulda got an asswhipping instead. I think that would have been more effective.
 
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apdst said:
The kid shoulda got an asswhipping instead. I think that would have been more effective.
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That's how they would have handled it in Nazi Germany.
 
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What we need here is respect , on both sides.
Discipline, for all, again.
The parents must teach the child how to act in public; evidently, this was not done.
The teacher must be taught how to handle situations; evidently this has not been done.
Everyone is wrong!
All attitudes must improve.
Extremeism seems to be the rule of the day.
Even from me, as what began as a mole hill is now a mountain.
This silliness angers me.
 
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apdst said:
The kid shoulda got an asswhipping instead. I think that would have been more effective.
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This is the old way of doing things.
Effective?
 
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Teacher was wrong based on school policy. I wonder what the student thinks about being an American?

We have gone to far in being PC, "what is it in for me", "Its not my fault", and "the govt. owes me". IMO, America is not what it use to be, and that is not a good thing.
 
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jamesrage said:
I think if someone wants to be an anti-American/unpatriotic then that is there choice, they should not be escorted/kicked out of class for it.
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So if someone doesn't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, it means they are anti-American/unpatriotic? Give me an effing break, jamesrage. :roll:
 
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mike2810 said:
Teacher was wrong based on school policy. I wonder what the student thinks about being an American?

We have gone to far in being PC, "what is it in for me", "Its not my fault", and "the govt. owes me". IMO, America is not what it use to be, and that is not a good thing.
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So someone NOT saying the Pledge of Allegiance causes you to think that the person must have a negative opinion on being an American?

The ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
 
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jamesrage said:
I think if someone wants to be an anti-American/unpatriotic then that is there choice, they should not be escorted/kicked out of class for it. Strangely, I agree..
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Its is NOT anti-American/non-patriotic to protest. But it is disrespectful/impolite to do this in class. Maybe the child does not know better(did I??), but the parents and adults should..
A good teacher would accept this protest, then throw away the lesson plan and give a class on proper protesting.
And, also stress proper spelling...as it was for me.
Mispell the word heart and be punished by detention..
Lets see who catchs this one.:spin:
 
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USA-1 said:
Do you honestly believe that repeating some words that someone else wrote every day makes that person more patriotic? :roll:

Religion isn't the only thing people use to weasel out of military duty.

You do know that Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist
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You do know that there is a lot more history to this that comes in after Mr Bellamy don't you?
 
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Jerry said:
Some nut-ball teacher ****ed up and the school is correcting the situation.

Nothing to see here, move along.
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An apology is not a correction, it's the NEA with their hand up the principal's ass operating his mouth.
 
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aps said:
So someone NOT saying the Pledge of Allegiance causes you to think that the person must have a negative opinion on being an American?

The ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
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Oh, so true..
But, there was a time before these rituals..
Is the Pledge really necessary?
Yes, its is, IMO.
Also, respect and discipline are necessary.
Being lack on these things is both anti-American and anti-man..
 
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I've argued this one in the past that the pledge should be mandatory, but I think the debate convinced me that individual students could opt out.

As for calling in the police on this kid for not saying the pledge, that's just dumb.
 
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Can you tell me what difference making someone recite a pledge would make?
 
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mike2810 said:
Teacher was wrong based on school policy. I wonder what the student thinks about being an American?

We have gone to far in being PC, "what is it in for me", "Its not my fault", and "the govt. owes me". IMO, America is not what it use to be, and that is not a good thing.
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Teacher was also wrong based on the Constitution, from cases that go back many many years.

Forcing someone to say a pledge kind of removes the meaning of it, don't you think? It also seems to go against the very thing we're pledging as well -- freedom from government force.
 
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earthworm said:
Its is NOT anti-American/non-patriotic to protest. But it is disrespectful/impolite to do this in class. Maybe the child does not know better(did I??), but the parents and adults should..
A good teacher would accept this protest, then throw away the lesson plan and give a class on proper protesting.
And, also stress proper spelling...as it was for me.
Mispell the word heart and be punished by detention..
Lets see who catchs this one.:spin:
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That is somewhat true, however it depends on the subject of what they are protesting for or against.So a protest can be anti-American/Unpatriotic.Of course that doesn't mean it should be illegal, it just means if they get called on it if they are having an unpatriotic/anti-American protest.
 
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jamesrage said:
That is somewhat true, however it depends on the subject of what they are protesting for or against.So a protest can be anti-American/Unpatriotic.Of course that doesn't mean it should be illegal, it just means if they get called on it if they are having an unpatriotic/anti-American protest.
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But wouldn't that require an assumption that what is deemed "anti-American/Unpatriotic" is not subjective when it really is?
 
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jamesrage said:
I think if someone wants to be an anti-American/unpatriotic then that is there choice, they should not be escorted/kicked out of class for it.
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Refusing to mindlessly recite meaningless words does not make you anti-American.
 
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aps said:
So someone NOT saying the Pledge of Allegiance causes you to think that the person must have a negative opinion on being an American?

The ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
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I did not say that directly. I was wondering what the students opinion of America was. Why would someone object to the Pledge if they truely love this country. But, you do have that option of not saying it, becuase of free speach and the Courts. I also agree no one should be forced to say the Pledge.

So are you saying unless people believe as you do we are ignorant?
 
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The pledge is an archaic ritual. Simply reciting some words does not make one any more or less a patriot. Kudos to those who choose to do it, but don't punish the ones who choose not to. The actions of this teacher were outrageous.
 
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EgoffTib said:
Refusing to mindlessly recite meaningless words does not make you anti-American.
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Only meaningless if you believe that.
 
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You could certainly make the argument that refusing to do what the government tells you to do is patriotic.
 
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