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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly correct.
    So everyone who didn't say the pledge before it existed didn't belong in America either?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Children should because children are citizens.

    They need to be taught that having the freedom to refuse to say the pledge is better than having explosives strapped to them in the name of Alah.

    The very fact that this student has the protected right not to say the pledge if she doesn't want to is by itself reason enough for her to do it.
    Yeah, because those extremists force their kids to do what they want, not giving the kids any freedom to make the decision for themselves, in an attempt to indoctrinate them with unquestioning loyalty to their country!

    Whereas here in America, when we make kids say the pledge... um... wait a minute...

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Well that sure is an interesting opinion you have got there.
    = dismissal tactic because you can't debate the point

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my question to a bunch of people in here....

    Do you or had you sung your schools or a pro-sports fight song or chant?
    Yes, but because it was expected of me to chant. I was fairly cynical at an early age. It was just a school, certainly no better than any other school out there.

    Do you or had you wore your schools or sports teams colors?
    No. I was never into the whole sports thing. Plus, our team sucked.

    Have you ever joined a club or organization that had a hand shake, a specific opening or closing of a meeting tradition, or something of the sort?
    Nope.

    Do you celebrate holidays, meaningless traditions that are antiquated, that don't have any religious value to you?
    I only celebrate holidays with my family because it is important to them and they would like me to be there. If I had kids it I would do it for them. If my family didn't care about the holidays I would gladly sit it out.

    Do you stand and remove your hat during the national anthem, or sing along with it?
    I sing along with it because it's expected of me. They are meaningless words to me. Again, using these things as a measuring stick for patriotism is wrong, in my opinion. Anyone can sing along to a song, recite some words, etc. It doesn't make one more or less of a patriot.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    = dismissal tactic because you can't debate the point
    You didn't make an argument. You merely expressed your opinion. How am I to respond? By telling you I think your opinion is wrong and mine is right?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They think the pledge is just dead words, which demonstrates that they don't belong here. You won't be able to make them change.
    Not me! I think the pledge is very meaningful to me (except the "under God" part). I say it whenever the occasion calls for it, and I mean it.

    But a pledge that someone forces you to say is absolutely meaningless.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Source on this claim?

    Oh thats right. Its just a knee jerk reaction to anyone thinking saying the pledge is a good thing for kids
    Hey Einstein. I was addressing this comment:

    "The kid shoulda got an asswhipping instead. I think that would have been more effective."

    Beating someone for not repeating some words is exactly how the Nazis did handle these things. Source? Read up on the Nazis.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So everyone who didn't say the pledge before it existed didn't belong in America either?
    Of course. Everyone knows the Pledge is the only thing that determines whether or not you belong in America.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So everyone who didn't say the pledge before it existed didn't belong in America either?
    = moving the goal posts; we're talking about here and now and yes the pledge does exist.

    If you don't accept the Swastika, 1488 and Arian purity you don't belong in the Nazi party. If you don't accept the coat hanger and "my body my choice" you don't belong in a pro-choice crowd. If you don't accept The Flying Spaghetti Monster and wear a pirate costume you don't belong in Pastapherianism.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Not me! I think the pledge is very meaningful to me (except the "under God" part). I say it whenever the occasion calls for it, and I mean it.

    But a pledge that someone forces you to say is absolutely meaningless.
    I absolutely agree.

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