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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my question to a bunch of people in here....

    Do you or had you sung your schools or a pro-sports fight song or chant?

    Do you or had you wore your schools or sports teams colors?

    Have you ever joined a club or organization that had a hand shake, a specific opening or closing of a meeting tradition, or something of the sort?

    If you were religious did you teach your kids any prayers or political actions that you ahd them do (Catholics, did you teach your kids to cross themselves). Or did you discourage your kids from following religion?

    Do you celebrate holidays, meaningless traditions that are antiquated, that don't have any religious value to you?

    Do you stand and remove your hat during the national anthem, or sing along with it?

    I don't get your point

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my question to a bunch of people in here....

    Do you or had you sung your schools or a pro-sports fight song or chant?

    Do you or had you wore your schools or sports teams colors?

    Have you ever joined a club or organization that had a hand shake, a specific opening or closing of a meeting tradition, or something of the sort?

    If you were religious did you teach your kids any prayers or political actions that you ahd them do (Catholics, did you teach your kids to cross themselves). Or did you discourage your kids from following religion?

    Do you celebrate holidays, meaningless traditions that are antiquated, that don't have any religious value to you?

    Do you stand and remove your hat during the national anthem, or sing along with it?
    You're wasting your keystrokes.

    If folks like EgoffTib aren't socialized and feel like a part of American culture, then there's nothing you can do over this forum in a few posts to alter that.

    They think the pledge is just dead words, which demonstrates that they don't belong here. You won't be able to make them change.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my question to a bunch of people in here....

    Do you or had you sung your schools or a pro-sports fight song or chant?
    No, school was not a good place for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you or had you wore your schools or sports teams colors?
    No, pep rallies were great times to leave school early.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Have you ever joined a club or organization that had a hand shake, a specific opening or closing of a meeting tradition, or something of the sort?
    No, I don't do "clubs."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If you were religious did you teach your kids any prayers or political actions that you ahd them do (Catholics, did you teach your kids to cross themselves). Or did you discourage your kids from following religion?
    No, I don't teach my kids to follow any particular political belief, they can figure that out with their own observations of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you celebrate holidays, meaningless traditions that are antiquated, that don't have any religious value to you?
    I have to celebrate Christmas because my wife wants to but I largely don't care for it.
    I usually don't do other holidays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you stand and remove your hat during the national anthem, or sing along with it?
    No.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't get your point
    I think I do.

    Say you have a secret handshake because you're associated with a club. By doing the secret handshake with fellow club members, you're showing your loyalty to the club and it's a unifying experience.

    He is saying that by saying the Pledge, you are unifying with those who are saying it with you.

    Am I right Zyph?

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you or had you sung your schools or a pro-sports fight song or chant?
    When I went to Dodgers games as a kid, I used to chant "Go Dodgers" when it would pop up on the Jumbotron.

    Do you or had you wore your schools or sports teams colors?
    Nope.

    Have you ever joined a club or organization that had a hand shake, a specific opening or closing of a meeting tradition, or something of the sort?
    I've been to church, where they usually close the service with a final prayer.

    If you were religious did you teach your kids any prayers or political actions that you ahd them do (Catholics, did you teach your kids to cross themselves). Or did you discourage your kids from following religion?
    Not applicable.

    Do you celebrate holidays, meaningless traditions that are antiquated, that don't have any religious value to you?
    Yes, mainly because it's a good excuse to go and visit extended family I rarely get to see.

    Do you stand and remove your hat during the national anthem, or sing along with it?
    I stand.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolute hogwash.

    Is there reasons why someone can choose to not say the pledge that make that act patriot. Simply saying "those that don't say it are Just as patriotic" is absolute bull****.
    I should have clarified. Obviously, it depends on the person's reasons for not saying it. If they aren't saying it because they hate this country then they obviously don't give a rat's ass or recognize the fact that they are able to do so because of our freedoms in this country.

    Patriotic is the embodying in action of patriotism. Patriotism is a the devoted love, support, and defense of ones country or national loyalty.
    Which is precisely why I fail to see how choosing not to recite some words somehow makes one unpatriotic or less patriotic than those who choose to say those words. Personally, I find the words to be generic. You can recite them all day long, but if you don't actually feel what you are saying or find it boring and archaic, it doesn't really matter whether you say them or not, does it?

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're wasting your keystrokes.

    If folks like EgoffTib aren't socialized and feel like a part of American culture, then there's nothing you can do over this forum in a few posts to alter that.

    They think the pledge is just dead words, which demonstrates that they don't belong here. You won't be able to make them change.
    So, because I don't like the Pledge and I think it's asinine, I don't belong in America?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    That's how they would have handled it in Nazi Germany.
    Source on this claim?

    Oh thats right. Its just a knee jerk reaction to anyone thinking saying the pledge is a good thing for kids
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    So, because I don't like the Pledge and I think it's asinine, I don't belong in America?
    That's exactly correct.

    If you don't accept the symbols and ideals of a group, you don't belong in that group. This true regardless of the group in question.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-25-10 at 02:22 PM.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly correct.
    Well that sure is an interesting opinion you have got there.
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