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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I did not say that directly. I was wondering what the students opinion of America was. Why would someone object to the Pledge if they truely love this country. But, you do have that option of not saying it, becuase of free speach and the Courts. I also agree no one should be forced to say the Pledge.

    So are you saying unless people believe as you do we are ignorant?
    Because some don't feel the need to recite some generic lines to show their love for this country. Many do it in other ways, and I can't think of a better way than to object to such an outdated ritual. Considering that freedom and independence is what we continue strive for, this should be kind of common sense. It's sad that some fall back on such silly nationalist views as if saying some words makes someone patriotic. It's absurd.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Only meaningless if you believe that.
    They are meaningless. They are just words. What they mean to people on an individual is a different story, however.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Good explanation of the meaning of the Pledge. For those of you to young to remember this.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPbIls0iOnI"]YouTube- Red & The Pledge[/nomedia]
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    An apology is not a correction, it's the NEA with their hand up the principal's ass operating his mouth.
    She wasn't damaged beyond what an apology can't fix, so it's all good.

    I imagine the teacher would also get some kind of formal reprimand which we can't be told about for privacy reasons.

    The girl goes back to class, life goes on.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Good explanation of the meaning of the Pledge. For those of you to young to remember this.

    YouTube- Red & The Pledge
    I know what the pledge means. However, his explanation only underlines the fact that refusing to say the pledge is just as patriotic as saying it, if we truly do stand for freedom and independence.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I did not say that directly. I was wondering what the students opinion of America was. Why would someone object to the Pledge if they truely love this country. But, you do have that option of not saying it, becuase of free speach and the Courts. I also agree no one should be forced to say the Pledge.

    So are you saying unless people believe as you do we are ignorant?
    The ignorance is people who think they can say for sure that someone who doesn't say the pledge must not truly love this country. That is ignorant, IMO. Just because YOU might not say the pledge in a case where you didn't love this country doesn't mean that such is everyone's reason for not saying the pledge.

    At this point, I won't say it. I love this country. But, according to you, I don't truly love this country.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I know what the pledge means. However, his explanation only underlines the fact that refusing to say the pledge is just as patriotic as saying it, if we truly do stand for freedom and independence.
    Simple and beautifully stated!

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Can you tell me what difference making someone recite a pledge would make?
    It's a classic example of conditioning.

    Trying to get kids to love their country without reason.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Only meaningless if you believe that.
    They are words. Nothing more. Actions show patriotism.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    They are words. Nothing more. Actions show patriotism.
    True enough. Anyone can pin a flag on their lapel and say the pledge. Symbols like that don't equal true patriotism.

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