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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    I've argued this one in the past that the pledge should be mandatory, but I think the debate convinced me that individual students could opt out.

    As for calling in the police on this kid for not saying the pledge, that's just dumb.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Can you tell me what difference making someone recite a pledge would make?

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Teacher was wrong based on school policy. I wonder what the student thinks about being an American?

    We have gone to far in being PC, "what is it in for me", "Its not my fault", and "the govt. owes me". IMO, America is not what it use to be, and that is not a good thing.
    Teacher was also wrong based on the Constitution, from cases that go back many many years.

    Forcing someone to say a pledge kind of removes the meaning of it, don't you think? It also seems to go against the very thing we're pledging as well -- freedom from government force.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Its is NOT anti-American/non-patriotic to protest. But it is disrespectful/impolite to do this in class. Maybe the child does not know better(did I??), but the parents and adults should..
    A good teacher would accept this protest, then throw away the lesson plan and give a class on proper protesting.
    And, also stress proper spelling...as it was for me.
    Mispell the word heart and be punished by detention..
    Lets see who catchs this one.
    That is somewhat true, however it depends on the subject of what they are protesting for or against.So a protest can be anti-American/Unpatriotic.Of course that doesn't mean it should be illegal, it just means if they get called on it if they are having an unpatriotic/anti-American protest.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is somewhat true, however it depends on the subject of what they are protesting for or against.So a protest can be anti-American/Unpatriotic.Of course that doesn't mean it should be illegal, it just means if they get called on it if they are having an unpatriotic/anti-American protest.
    But wouldn't that require an assumption that what is deemed "anti-American/Unpatriotic" is not subjective when it really is?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think if someone wants to be an anti-American/unpatriotic then that is there choice, they should not be escorted/kicked out of class for it.
    Refusing to mindlessly recite meaningless words does not make you anti-American.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    So someone NOT saying the Pledge of Allegiance causes you to think that the person must have a negative opinion on being an American?

    The ignorance in this thread is astonishing.
    I did not say that directly. I was wondering what the students opinion of America was. Why would someone object to the Pledge if they truely love this country. But, you do have that option of not saying it, becuase of free speach and the Courts. I also agree no one should be forced to say the Pledge.

    So are you saying unless people believe as you do we are ignorant?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    The pledge is an archaic ritual. Simply reciting some words does not make one any more or less a patriot. Kudos to those who choose to do it, but don't punish the ones who choose not to. The actions of this teacher were outrageous.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Refusing to mindlessly recite meaningless words does not make you anti-American.
    Only meaningless if you believe that.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    You could certainly make the argument that refusing to do what the government tells you to do is patriotic.

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