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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Some very good points have been made on both sides. I think I'm in the middle on this one a bit.

    I say the Pledge of Allegiance when I'm in a situation where it's called for. However that is basically out of tradition. I don't pledge my allegiance "to the flag." I pledge my allegiance to my country, one nation. I have an issue with some of the words in the pledge. But, I go through the motions of the tradition, not because I think it's mandatory or indicative of my patriotism or love of country, but because it's tradition and because I think it's well intended. It doesn't really make sense to me in literal terms, but it's like coloring easter eggs with my kids or putting up a christmas tree...I do it because it's a tradition and I am comfortable enough with it, regardless of how perplexing my take on it might seem.

    I do not condemn those who refuse, that is their choice and that is what I think makes our nation great. We don't have to say anything we don't want to. I don't judge the patriotism of someone based upon some public display of rhetoric or execution of ritual. I've seen people get fighting mad over a flag burning and just shake my head. Symbols, allegiance to symbols, putting a symbol above someone's right to exercise free speech express their ideals...that's just backward to me.

    Tradition is not sacred. The very fact taht some of you can get bent over someone burning a flag but are willing to stand by someone wearing a flag pattern shirt or headband or see flag bumper stickers tore up and covered in mud...it's just all too convenient for me.

    I love my country, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. But if I'm not loyal to a piece of cloth because it "represents" my country. I'm loyal to my country and want what's best for it...not some symbol. You can't disrespect a flag because it's an inanimate object. Logically it's foolish to pledge allegiance to a flag. That doesn't make sense in the least.

    Anyway, this story is just saddening. However it's not an end to the world either. The girl should get her apology. She deserves as much respect as anyone else. And her decision to not partake in some ritualistic tradition is not insulting to anyone.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That would've been the respectful thing to do. Even if I was in a country like North Korea, I would stand for the national anthem if that was the custom.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think that is part of the problem......some people want all the benefits this country provides but they could care less about the country itself.......I can understand a child but adults should know better.......
    Thinking it's stupid to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, day in and day out, doesn't make you any less of a patriot.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    I think being forced to pledge your alligence to something you don't necessarily want to is a bit outrageous.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    I think pledging allegiance to a flag is absurd anyway. Of course, there's no real harm in it, unless the flag speaks and tells you to do something . Of course it can't do that because it is just a piece of cloth.

    Talking flags would creep me out though, especially if the flag had an English accent.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think pledging allegiance to a flag is absurd anyway. Of course, there's no real harm in it, unless the flag speaks and tells you to do something . Of course it can't do that because it is just a piece of cloth.

    Talking flags would creep me out though, especially if the flag had an English accent.


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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The key words there are "Since my childhood". When you were 7, you didn't know this was the greatest country in the world. You found that out later. You recited the pledge only because you were told to. I agree that kids should do what their parents and teachers tell them to do, but the question still remains: What should we be telling them to do?

    BTW, if you weren't forced to recite the pledge at 7, maybe you would've preferred one of those 100 other countries.
    That is true to a certain extent but my parents instilled in me at and early age how lucky we were to be born in this country.......

    When I was growing up it was a natural thing to stand and say the pledge and the kids I knew never thought of doing anything else.....
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    I do find it strange, however, how we indoctrinate our children in their early years when they haven't a clue about what they are "pledging" to (or for) and haven't a clue as to what a pledge is in the first place.

    Besides, elementary school children are not at the age of accountability anyways so why demand an unenforcable "pledge" to them in the first place?

    To me, the pledge is merely a tool used to teach patriotism to our youth. The words, per se, to a third grader have no more, or no less, meaning than a simple nursery rhyme.

    And by the time they do grow up to the age of accountability and understanding, they are no longer required to chant it daily.

    Don't get me wrong. I stand straight and proud when pledging allegience to Old Glory. But indoctrination/brainwashing our children, I do take issue with.

    It's unnecessary.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I do find it strange, however, how we indoctrinate our children in their early years when they haven't a clue about what they are "pledging" to (or for) and haven't a clue as to what a pledge is in the first place.

    Besides, elementary school children are not at the age of accountability anyways so why demand an unenforcable "pledge" to them in the first place?

    To me, the pledge is merely a tool used to teach patriotism to our youth. The words, per se, to a third grader have no more, or no less, meaning than a simple nursery rhyme.

    And by the time they do grow up to the age of accountability and understanding, they are no longer required to chant it daily.

    Don't get me wrong. I stand straight and proud when pledging allegience to Old Glory. But indoctrination/brainwashing our children, I do take issue with.

    It's unnecessary.
    I never looked at it that way..I guess because I kind of had a clue what it was about and why we were doing it.......I can understand a little bit the fuss over "Under God" because some people don't believe in God but I guess I just fon't understand what the problem is to stand and say the pledge...I guess it was just a different era.........
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I never looked at it that way..I guess because I kind of had a clue what it was about and why we were doing it.......I can understand a little bit the fuss over "Under God" because some people don't believe in God but I guess I just fon't understand what the problem is to stand and say the pledge...I guess it was just a different era.........
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