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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I myself am not saying a kid has to say the pledge I just say be respectful to the people that are saying it.........

    I go to a football game and they play the National anthem and I see people not paying attention and shooting the ****......This kind of thing bothers me......
    The child was not participating. He sat in his chair. Why is his physical position a problem to you?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Kinda like the school respected the kid who didn't want to say it?
    I think you will see that I condemned what the school did if you would take the time to look.......
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The child was not participating. He sat in his chair. Why is his physical position a problem to you?
    I think the child could have stood like the rest of the kids and just remained silent........
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    This kid should be thrown out of School, and the parents should be questioned.


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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Even at 7 I believed I was fortunate to live in the greatest country in the world.

    Since my childhood I have traveled the world and visited over 100 countries and have yet to find one close to the USA.
    The key words there are "Since my childhood". When you were 7, you didn't know this was the greatest country in the world. You found that out later. You recited the pledge only because you were told to. I agree that kids should do what their parents and teachers tell them to do, but the question still remains: What should we be telling them to do?

    BTW, if you weren't forced to recite the pledge at 7, maybe you would've preferred one of those 100 other countries.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think the child could have stood like the rest of the kids and just remained silent........
    That would've been the respectful thing to do. Even if I was in a country like North Korea, I would stand for the national anthem if that was the custom.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If you don't like it don't ****ing say it OK........That is the beauty of this country just respect the people that do........
    That didn't answer my question. But no, I don't respect people just because they say 'under god'.

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    It's a reference to the God who's authority, when followed, keeps you out of a burka.
    No, our laws do that. Not some fairy, or leprechaun, or other mythological being.

    But my question had nothing to do with that. He made some asinine statement implying that people who didn't say 'under god' (i.e., unbelievers in his myth), didn't love their country. And I've yet to get him to explain what in the bloody ****ing hell reciting the words 'under god' and/or believing in his myth had to do with someone's love, or lack thereof, of this country.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That would've been the respectful thing to do. Even if I was in a country like North Korea, I would stand for the national anthem if that was the custom.
    If you require a child to stand during a proceeding he is not involved in, then you are coercing him into participating. That's an interesting parallel, do North Korea require their children to repeat a meaningless chant every morning too?
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    That didn't answer my question. But no, I don't respect people just because they say 'under god'.


    No, our laws do that. Not some fairy, or leprechaun, or other mythological being.

    But my question had nothing to do with that. He made some asinine statement implying that people who didn't say 'under god' (i.e., unbelievers in his myth), didn't love their country. And I've yet to get him to explain what in the bloody ****ing hell reciting the words 'under god' and/or believing in his myth had to do with someone's love, or lack thereof, of this country.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    I understand where NP is coming from in the sense of "being respectful" as those surrounding you say the pledge or whatever. However, I do not think the harassment always stops there.

    The vile elementary school teacher I mentioned in my earlier post that made the child go stand in the hall with his nose in the corner because he could not say the pledge. She wouldn't allow him to stand next to "good" people as they said the pledge. He had to go to the naughty place.

    Respect, being a two way street, I am not so sure that just standing silently would ward off any significant harassment. I think there are only a handful of the type of people that would harass someone like that to begin with. Unfortunantly, these people are unavoidable in society/life and will find a way to be rude and hateful regardless. Those tortured, bitchy, opinionated souls. Their numbers are few but there's one in every crowd.

    But I do understand what my rightwing friend is trying to say. I am not Catholic. But when I attend mass with my wife, who is a devout Catholic, I do not participate in the lithergy (sp?) or any of that other religious mumbo jumbo, but I do stand, sit and kneel beside her in mutual respect.

    However, if one felt, that being required/expected to stand, equated to "bending a knee," so to speak, in recognition of something they either do not support or believe in, that's valid too.

    But. Like I said. There's only a person here or there that would say anything about whether or not one chose to participate in pledges, chants, prayers, rituals, etc. There aren't enough of them around to make a mountain out of this molehill. They're assholes anyways. So who really cares?

    It's a free country. As long as it doesn't exact any flesh from me or my brood, live like you wanna live. You won't get any **** out of me.

    I say the pledge. The Star Spangled Banner puts goosebumps on my arms and tears in my eyes. But that's me. If that don't work for you, then it's just something we don't have in common. Rather than picking of the open sore of what we do not have in common, I think our time would be better spent searching for something we do have in common.

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