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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LMFAO


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    Really now? And what need would there possibly be to force people to pledge allegiance to a country that's supposed to stand for freedom and choice? The need for hypocrisy?
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    And you recite it by choice. Big difference between someone being forced to mouth some words and someone choosing, of their own accord, to recite something that has actual meaning *to them*.

    You can stand outside your home and recite the pledge day in and day out for all I care. When you start forcing others to do the same, that's when the line needs to be drawn.
    There's a reason I cropped out all the "force" nonsense from your post when I responded: Everyone already agrees that no one should be forced to recite the pledge.

    What you did is go further than that and claim that there is no reason to have a pledge at all.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Okay, I'll bite: What need is satisfied by reciting the pledge?
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I fail to see why anyone concerned about freedom and choice would wish to indoctrinate children into patriotic ritual.
    Reciting the pledge is a tool to facilitate socializing into American culture.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I fail to see why anyone concerned about freedom and choice would wish to indoctrinate children into patriotic ritual.
    Exactly! If you want to say the pledge go ahead, but being forced to say the pledge is against what the US is supposed to be about.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    OK class. Let's recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

    "I led the pigeons to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic of Richard Stands. One nation, under God, invisible, with liver tea and justice for all".

    Pretty good for first graders.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The average teacher is probably more reasonable, but any teacher who is this obsessive about some ritual should be fired because their purpose is to teach, not enforce ideology.

    If someone chooses to associate feelings to the ritual, that is THEIR choice, but others should not be bound by it.
    yeah yeah and all that Jazz

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reciting the pledge is a tool to facilitate socializing into American culture.
    For cultists, perhaps.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What you did is go further than that and claim that there is no reason to have a pledge at all.
    There is no reason at all.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Some of us recite the pledge with feeling, and in that way reciting the pledge is one such action you speak of.
    Some do, some don't. It shouldn't be mandatory, that's the point.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It shouldn't be mandatory, that's the point.
    Well no ****

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well no ****
    Dude, save your trolling attention-seeking **** for someone who gives a **** about what you have to say.

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