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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Left? Because I believe a kid should not be beaten for not reciting an oath?

    In August 1934 Hitler named himself Chancellor and President of Germany and subsequently instituted a loyalty oath to be required of all civil servants and government officials, including pastors and university professors. The oath read as follows: "I swear: I will be true and obedient to the Fhrer of the German Reich and nation Adolf Hitler, observe the laws and conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God."[18] Barth was confident that, because of his public criticism of the Nazi regime, the oath requirement would be put to him in pointed terms. He was soon proved right.

    On November 7 Barth was asked by the university's rector to take the oath. Barth had resolved that he would do so, but only if he could add a stipulation "to the effect that I could be loyal to the Fhrer only within my responsibilities as an Evangelical Christian."[19] He proposed his modified form of the oath to the Rector and was rejected. In his words, "My hour had come. I was suddenly suspended."[20]

    Because of his refusal to take the oath in the prescribed form, Barth was tried before a tribunal. The prosecution argued that Barth's proposed amendment was unacceptable because the oath was intended to have "unlimited content" and, besides, "it went without saying that the Fhrer did not require anything that was against God's commandments."[21] While the prosecution was presenting its case, Barth was apparently not overly concerned. He spent the time composing a rhyme about the event ("Karl, we know, is hardly vile / And yet he has to go on trial") and skimming Plato, portions of which he insisted on reading to the judges.[22] As expected, the tribunal found Barth guilty.

    The term Hitler oath refers to the oaths of allegiance sworn by German Wehrmacht officers and soldiers as well as civil servants during the Third Reich between the years 1934 and 1945. The oath pledged personal loyalty to the person of Adolf Hitler in place of loyalty to the constitution.

    The death of 86-year-old Reichspräsident Paul von Hindenburg on August 2, 1934 removed the final obstacle to Adolf Hitler obtaining absolute power over Germany. Even before Hindenburg's death, Hitler's cabinet had enacted a law combining the offices of Chancellor (the head of government) and President (the head of state); Adolf Hitler would henceforth be known as Führer und Reichskanzler (Leader and Chancellor) and was both head of state and commander in chief of the armed forces. The day of the President's death, the cabinet ordered a plebiscite for August 19 for the German people to approve the combination of the two offices.

    Germany's voters went to the polls and 89.9% voted their approval for Hitler to assume complete power over Germany. The following day, August 20, 1934, the cabinet decreed the "Law On The Allegiance of Civil Servants and Soldiers of the Armed Forces". (Gesetz über die Vereidigung der Beamten und der Soldaten der Wehrmacht), which superseded the original oaths. Prior to the decree, both members of the armed forces and civil servants had sworn loyalty to "the People and the Fatherland" (Volk und Vaterland); civil servants had additionally sworn to uphold the constitution and laws of Germany.

    The new law decreed that instead, both members of the armed forces and civil servants would swear loyalty to Adolf Hitler
    Yeah, and a big time Progressive/Liberal/Socialist dude authored the Pledge of Allegiance, too.

    Besides, I thought you were referring to the asswhippin'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    I didn't say it was communist.
    Then say it is National Socialist.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    I didn't say it was communist.
    Then say it is National Socialist.
    The difference between National Socialism and Communism is like the difference between Budweiser and Coors. They're both beer, just taste a little different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, and a big time Progressive/Liberal/Socialist dude authored the Pledge of Allegiance, too.

    Besides, I thought you were referring to the asswhippin'.
    In a free nation, no one should be forced to take an oath of allegience or any kind of oath for that matter. I said the pledge of Allegience all through school and now I say it once a year at the Memorial Day ceremony at the cemetery. I would not say it if I was forced to do it, for then it would be meaningless.
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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by abdst
    The difference between National Socialism and Communism is like the difference between Budweiser and Coors. They're both beer, just taste a little different.
    Hah, I was going to make a comparable analogy as a rebuttal but I think the fact that you said "They're both beer, just taste a little different" says everything about you.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The 13 year old didn't come up with this notion of not saying the pledge.
    The mother did.

    So rather than the mother talk to the teacher about it expressing her opinion and her wishes about it she let's the child get in trouble with the teacher. Couldn't she have called the teacher and discussed it ? Couldn't she have? She has a chip on her shoulder.
    Parents have a right to teach their own children their own values.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Ajmel Quereshi?? You can't make this stuff up. The ACLU had to send someone from India to defend this child, in a time when Muslim stereotyping is an issue. Did Bob Jones have the day off or something? Whether this guy is Muslim or not is irrelevent, it's the appearance. The kid didn't do anything wrong, though in our day we'd have probably got the crap kicked out of us during recess. Anyway, the teacher should be fired, an apology isn't enough. I believe in the pledge, but damn this isn't the USSR. The police should charge the teacher with false arrest.
    The police should've told that teacher to get bent. This is an abuse of authority that cannot go unanswered.

    The teacher needs to be on leave for a few years.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    The 13 year old didn't come up with this notion of not saying the pledge.
    The mother did.

    So rather than the mother talk to the teacher about it expressing her opinion and her wishes about it she let's the child get in trouble with the teacher. Couldn't she have called the teacher and discussed it ? Couldn't she have? She has a chip on her shoulder.
    Why would she need to? She informed the child of his rights under the Constitution. Why should she need to negotiate these rights or apologize for them?

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Yes, I don't see that the Constitution mandates reverence of the flag, or repetition of the Pledge, in order to be a citizen. It is considered idolatry in some faiths.

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    Re: Child escorted out of class by police for sitting during the pledge, mother outra

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Why would she need to? She informed the child of his rights under the Constitution. Why should she need to negotiate these rights or apologize for them?
    She shouldn't make her child fight her battles. If she had a problem with her child's teacher or the curriculum , she should have talked to the man, not told her child it was ok to disobey him.

    You don't send your child to fight your battles.

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