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GM to shut down Hummer

Ice driving is different than snow. Thats knowing how and when to brake, and if you slide how to correct it. That's not much of a function of 4wd vs. front wheel drive as it is braking and speed control. Rear wheel is hell in the winter no matter what.

Yep and some people think as long as the got 4 wheel drive they can go as fast as they want, no matter the conditions. They usually find out the hard way, they can't.
 
Yep and some people think as long as the got 4 wheel drive they can go as fast as they want, no matter the conditions. They usually find out the hard way, they can't.

You should live in the south like I do now, and see how people drive when it snows.
 
You should live in the south like I do now, and see how people drive when it snows.

We brag about how we can handle the weather up here, but every storm there are hundreds of cars in the ditch. Some people just never learn. It's just like those idiots that get their cars towed for parking on the street during a snow emergency. They never learn either.
 
Hummers are simply a luxury item like any other expensive vehicle. Admittedly its not a very functional vehicle, but people didn't buy them for functional purposes, they bought them for aesthetic reasons. Status, etc....And I am neither upset with the shutting down of the Hummer line, nor am I thrilled about it. People should be able to buy whatever kind of car they want, so long as they can afford it, without ridicule from those who think they know better how we should live. So Hummer didn't make it, big deal. Something else will come along when the economy recovers and the caterwauling can begin again.

I agree with your post, with exception to what I bolded.

The more oil we burn, the more expensive it's going to get for everyone. I cringe at people who complain about gas prices yet live in the sticks, and drive their big-assed Yukons to and from work, often being the single drive. So what other people decide to drive affects my bottom line.
 
Actually, if the Dems hadn't sabotaged the economy, made it where no one has any money and nationalized GM, the line wouldn't have gotten canceled.

So, no, the market didn't say jack.

The market said, nah piece of s**t, I'll buy a Prius.
 
Musta notta been much snow, then.

So when were y'all in S.La snowed in last? And how many times in 10 years? If a Canadian doesn't need an SUV, how would a Cajun?
 
I agree with your post, with exception to what I bolded.

The more oil we burn, the more expensive it's going to get for everyone. I cringe at people who complain about gas prices yet live in the sticks, and drive their big-assed Yukons to and from work, often being the single drive. So what other people decide to drive affects my bottom line.

They pay for the additional resource through their increased useage of gasoline. Its not as if they are getting away with anything. Gasoline supply is artifically controlled anyway. People's driving of SUVs really don't have that big of an impact on gasoline prices. Its actually the actual miles driven that affect gasoline useage rather than MPG. Someone who commutes 55 miles one way to school in a subaru outback consumes more product than a Hummer driver who commutes 10 miles to work. A gas station doesn't differentiate between a car that gets 30mpg or 20 mpg. It charges the same per gallon pumped.

Anyway, the price of gas seems more tied to geo-political affairs and economic inflation than SUV useage. Our gas was over $4 a gallon during the housing boom, and now in the recession it has been as low as $2.30 and right now is about $2.75. Its not because people quit driving SUVs all the sudden. There are plenty out there yet.
 
Right, ;)



driving a two wheel drive around in 6 inche of snow, is not the safest thing to do.... :shrug:

So don't drive on the what? 4 days a year the snow is so deep the ploughs and gritters can't get through.

You complain at $4 a gallon? That's 40% cheaper than standard EU prices. That has nothing to do with the relative price of the commodity and everything to do with the untouchable status of fuel tax in the US and Canada. If the government is too timid to tax gas to encourage people to buy more fuel-efficient cars ( I'm talking 40-50 MPG, not 25-30) then there's no hope that the US and Canada will bring down their CO2, greenhouse emissions.
 
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They pay for the additional resource through their increased useage of gasoline. Its not as if they are getting away with anything. Gasoline supply is artifically controlled anyway. People's driving of SUVs really don't have that big of an impact on gasoline prices. Its actually the actual miles driven that affect gasoline useage rather than MPG. Someone who commutes 55 miles one way to school in a subaru outback consumes more product than a Hummer driver who commutes 10 miles to work. A gas station doesn't differentiate between a car that gets 30mpg or 20 mpg. It charges the same per gallon pumped.

Anyway, the price of gas seems more tied to geo-political affairs and economic inflation than SUV useage. Our gas was over $4 a gallon during the housing boom, and now in the recession it has been as low as $2.30 and right now is about $2.75. Its not because people quit driving SUVs all the sudden. There are plenty out there yet.

Unlike yourself, I believe that supply and demand plays a bigger role than you think. Much bigger. Sure, there is artifical pricing, but it's minute from what I know. Oil is a finite resource, and our world usage is growing all of the time. There's a good possibility that we have reached peak oil by now, and what we were paying a few years back will see like chump change in the near future.

The issue is not one of "running out" so much as it is not having enough to keep our economy running. In this regard, the ramifications of Peak Oil for our civilization are similar to the ramifications of dehydration for the human body. The human body is 70 percent water. The body of a 200 pound man thus holds 140 pounds of water. Because water is so crucial to everything the human body does, the man doesn't need to lose all 140 pounds of water weight before collapsing due to dehydration. A loss of as little as 10-15 pounds of water may be enough to kill him.

In a similar sense, an oil based economy such as ours doesn't need to deplete its entire reserve of oil before it begins to collapse. A shortfall between demand and supply as little as 10 to 15 percent is enough to wholly shatter an oil-dependent economy and reduce its citizenry to poverty.

The effects of even a small drop in production can be devastating. Source For instance, during the 1970s oil shocks, shortfalls in production as small as 5% caused the price of oil to nearly quadruple. Source The same thing happened in California a few years ago with natural gas: a production drop of less than 5% caused prices to skyrocket by 400%.

Fortunately, those price shocks were only temporary.

The coming oil shocks won't be so short lived. They represent the onset of "a new, permanent condition". Source Once the decline gets under way, production will drop (conservatively) by 3% per year, every year. War, terrorism, extreme weather and other "above ground" geopolitical factors will likely push the effective decline rate past 10% per year, thus cutting the total supply by 50% in 7 years. Source

These estimate comes from numerous sources, not the least of which is Vice President Dick Cheney himself. In a 1999 speech he gave while still CEO of Halliburton, Cheney stated:

By some estimates, there will be an average of two-percent annual growth
in global oil demand over the years ahead, along with, conservatively, a
three-percent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That
means by 2010 we'll need an additional 50 million barrels per day. Source

Peak Oil, Matt Savinar, Life After the Oil Crash
 
They pay for the additional resource through their increased useage of gasoline. Its not as if they are getting away with anything. Gasoline supply is artifically controlled anyway. People's driving of SUVs really don't have that big of an impact on gasoline prices. Its actually the actual miles driven that affect gasoline useage rather than MPG. Someone who commutes 55 miles one way to school in a subaru outback consumes more product than a Hummer driver who commutes 10 miles to work. A gas station doesn't differentiate between a car that gets 30mpg or 20 mpg. It charges the same per gallon pumped.

Anyway, the price of gas seems more tied to geo-political affairs and economic inflation than SUV useage. Our gas was over $4 a gallon during the housing boom, and now in the recession it has been as low as $2.30 and right now is about $2.75. Its not because people quit driving SUVs all the sudden. There are plenty out there yet.

To my suprise US oil demand has dropped by around 500 000 bpd during this recession. I think a lot of Americans have reduced their driving
 
GM was looking to sell Hummer before the government bailout

It was a failing brand which was no llonger selling well
Who the hell wants to buy a loser company from a loser company?
 
I agree with your post, with exception to what I bolded.

The more oil we burn, the more expensive it's going to get for everyone. I cringe at people who complain about gas prices yet live in the sticks, and drive their big-assed Yukons to and from work, often being the single drive. So what other people decide to drive affects my bottom line.

Ahh, so not only should you get to decide what people can drive, but also where they can live. Not everyone likes to live in the middle of a stinking big city.
 
Last storm I took my wife to work and in the 15 mile stretch there were 6 vehicles in the ditch, all but one were 4wd. One guy in an Explorer had passed me and a few miles down the road, there he was spun out in the ditch.
The reason the ditch wasn't filled with Priuses, Hyundais, and Beetles was because they didn't make it out on the road to begin with.
 
The reason the ditch wasn't filled with Priuses, Hyundais, and Beetles was because they didn't make it out on the road to begin with.

Nope.
We had the same problem here a couple of weeks back. All of the cars ditched here were BMWs, Mercs, the odd Honda. They all had one characteristic. high torque, rear wheel, and driven by muppets.
The traction control never even kicked in on my diesel Passat.
 
Hey MG



14 inches of heavy tree downing snow and ice here....


Drove 20 miles in my jacked up ford, Didn't see any priuses.... ;)


Saw one toyota camry, but it was stuck. :ssst:
 
Hey MG



14 inches of heavy tree downing snow and ice here....


Drove 20 miles in my jacked up ford, Didn't see any priuses.... ;)


Saw one toyota camry, but it was stuck. :ssst:

Hey! I thought the problem with Toyotas was getting them to stop....
 
Ahh, so not only should you get to decide what people can drive, but also where they can live. Not everyone likes to live in the middle of a stinking big city.

Then drive something more efficient. Or car pool. Funny thing, when the price of gas was so high, people here were doing that big-time.

Bottom line, the decisions that other people make affects my bottom line when it comes to gas prices.
 
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