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GM to shut down Hummer

USA-1 said:
Bush had as much or more to do with it than the dems. One would have to be in total denial to totally blame the collapse of the housing and financial sectors on the dems.
Bush and Greenspan created the bubble.
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Really? So, what did Bush do, exactly, to cause the recession? Please use supporting docs. Thanks in advance.
 
Middleground said:
In my parts, we don't wait until there's 3 feet of snow before the plows come by....
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As I said -- you wait until the plows come thru.
Thanks.
 
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Middleground said:
In my parts, we don't wait until there's 3 feet of snow before the plows come by. We, as a society of the Great White North, follow weather forecasts, and are prepared when the snow hits. Plows work all day clearing snow, especially on main roads. Heck, here's an idea. Instead of every person having to buy a Hummer or a vehicle that can support 4 fatties, why don't your snow laden cities buy more plows? WOW, how bout them apples, eh!

Like I said, I get around just fine with my Hyundai and my winter tires. Seriously.
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Can you pull a bass boat with it? Or a horse trailer? Will a four-wheeler fit in the back? If not, then it's purdy much useless.
 
apdst said:
Really? So, what did Bush do, exactly, to cause the recession? Please use supporting docs. Thanks in advance.
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His policies to increase home ownership along with Greenspans low interest rates
created the housing bubble.
 
USA-1 said:
His policies to increase home ownership along with Greenspans low interest rates
created the housing bubble.
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Cite those specific policies, please. Thaaaaanks.
 
USA-1 said:
His policies to increase home ownership...
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You mean leaning on banks to lend to sub-prime applicants?
That wasn't HIS policy.
 
apdst said:
Can you pull a bass boat with it? Or a horse trailer? Will a four-wheeler fit in the back? If not, then it's purdy much useless.
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No! no!
Its useful as an item of ridicule!
 
apdst said:
Can you pull a bass boat with it? Or a horse trailer? Will a four-wheeler fit in the back? If not, then it's purdy much useless.
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What does this have to do with snow, let alone a Hummer? :doh
 
Goobieman said:
Peeople that can afford to buy an $80k truck are not affected by $4/gal gas.
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I guess that is why so people were not trading there Hummers in for more fuel efficient vehicles.
 
Middleground said:
What does this have to do with snow, let alone a Hummer? :doh
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Well, if your huyundai can't do any of that, then it's useless. Except as an item of ridicule, as Goobie pointed out.
 
Middleground said:
I never have to wait.
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OK, let me repphrase:

You dont drive until after the plows go thru.

As I said - your claim is a farce. The source of your pride and your ability to drive in the winter is not based on the ability of you or your car - especially as it relates to largeer 4WD vehicles - but on the efficacy of your Department of Transportation.

As such, your claim as it relates to those 4WD vehicles mean nothing. You might as well claim that you dont need a big 4WD because you get along fine on dry pavement.

Now stop making yourself look silly.
 
Middleground said:
Why are 4 fatties necessary?
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Point is, that prius loses a lot of gas milage with 4 adults in the vehicle.


Signed,
Middleground,
who lives in the Great White North and has no problems getting around in winter with her fuel-efficient Hyundai Accent sedan.
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Right...... :roll: :2razz:
 
Middleground said:
I don't recall one instance where I have had to wade through more snow than my winter tires could handle. Not once. So again, I ask... why do I need a big-assed gas guzzling, road-hogging/wrecking, parking nighmare, testosterone inducing tank?
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Right, ;)



driving a two wheel drive around in 6 inche of snow, is not the safest thing to do.... :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Right, ;)



driving a two wheel drive around in 6 inche of snow, is not the safest thing to do.... :shrug:
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yeah, but we're talking about a super-duper, treehuggin', Canadian two wheel drive, here. That's different.
 
I live in Wisconsin and we get plenty of snow. I have had 4 wheel drive vehicles since 1979. I notice that whenever we have a storm most of the vehicles in the ditch are 4 wheel drive. I would attribute it to over confidence and the fact that 4x4s are no better on slippery roads at highway speeds than 2 wheel drive.
 
Hummers are simply a luxury item like any other expensive vehicle. Admittedly its not a very functional vehicle, but people didn't buy them for functional purposes, they bought them for aesthetic reasons. Status, etc....And I am neither upset with the shutting down of the Hummer line, nor am I thrilled about it. People should be able to buy whatever kind of car they want, so long as they can afford it, without ridicule from those who think they know better how we should live. So Hummer didn't make it, big deal. Something else will come along when the economy recovers and the caterwauling can begin again.
 
USA-1 said:
I live in Wisconsin and we get plenty of snow. I have had 4 wheel drive vehicles since 1979. I notice that whenever we have a storm most of the vehicles in the ditch are 4 wheel drive. I would attribute it to over confidence and the fact that 4x4s are no better on slippery roads at highway speeds than 2 wheel drive.
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I lived in Wisconsin most of my life. 4 wheel drives will get you out of the driveway and onto the roads without requiring you to shovel, and you can drive through drifts as well. The cars I remember being in the ditch the most were minivans.
 
Middleground said:
Why are 4 fatties necessary?

Signed,
Middleground,
who lives in the Great White North and has no problems getting around in winter with her fuel-efficient Hyundai Accent sedan.
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These are Americans we're talking to. :2razz: Gotta keep that in mind.
 
WI Crippler said:
I lived in Wisconsin most of my life. 4 wheel drives will get you out of the driveway and onto the roads without requiring you to shovel, and you can drive through drifts as well. The cars I remember being in the ditch the most were minivans.
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I will always have 4 wheel drive as long as I live here, but many people don't know their limitations, especially on ice. They think they can drive at posted speeds no matter the conditions. Last storm I took my wife to work and in the 15 mile stretch there were 6 vehicles in the ditch, all but one were 4wd. One guy in an Explorer had passed me and a few miles down the road, there he was spun out in the ditch.
 
USA-1 said:
I will always have 4 wheel drive as long as I live here, but many people don't know their limitations, especially on ice. They think they can drive at posted speeds no matter the conditions. Last storm I took my wife to work and in the 15 mile stretch there were 6 vehicles in the ditch, all but one were 4wd. One guy in an Explorer had passed me and a few miles down the road, there he was spun out in the ditch.
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Ice driving is different than snow. Thats knowing how and when to brake, and if you slide how to correct it. That's not much of a function of 4wd vs. front wheel drive as it is braking and speed control. Rear wheel is hell in the winter no matter what.
 
USA-1 said:
I will always have 4 wheel drive as long as I live here, but many people don't know their limitations, especially on ice. They think they can drive at posted speeds no matter the conditions. Last storm I took my wife to work and in the 15 mile stretch there were 6 vehicles in the ditch, all but one were 4wd. One guy in an Explorer had passed me and a few miles down the road, there he was spun out in the ditch.
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I was driving through the Davis Mountains just outside El Paso Texas in very thick fog. Sometimes the visibility might have been right around 75, 100 ft or so. I could not believe the people that were doing 80 (the posted speed limit) MPH or more in that soup.
 
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