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    2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy - NYTimes.com

    By THOM SHANKER
    Published: February 23, 2010

    WASHINGTON — The top generals from the Army and the Air Force expressed deep concern on Tuesday about moving rapidly to lift the ban on openly gay service members, saying it could make it harder for their forces to do their jobs while fighting two wars.

    The comments by Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the Army chief of the staff, and Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, the Air Force chief of staff, may provide political cover for members of Congress who oppose President Obama’s call for repealing the policy known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

    “I do have serious concerns about the impact of repeal of the law on a force that’s fully engaged in two wars and has been at war for eight-and-a-half years,” General Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee. “We just don’t know the impacts on readiness and military effectiveness.”
    Hopefully this will encourage a more robust analysis of the proposed policy change.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Unless society is ready to face the fact that being a homosexual is nothing more that a life style choice and goes against nature and is perversion the whole subject is a waste of time and effort.

    NAMBLA will be next to declare that it's not their fault they were born to molest little boys just like some Mormon Sect's believe it's okay to force 12 year old girls to marry dirty old men.

    With enough pressure the Liberals will say we are haters and intolerant for saying no to all child molesters, because they can't help it because it's the result of some mystery gene that does not even exist, like the claims the homosexuals have falsely claimed in the past.

    The Gay Gene?

    When it comes to questions of the genetics of any behavior-homosexuality included-all of the following statements are likely to be at least roughly true:


    Such and such a behavior "is genetic";
    There are no genes that produce the behavior;
    The genes associated with the behavior are found on such and such a chromosome;
    The behavior is significantly heritable;
    The behavior is not inherited.
    The scientific distinctions that make these seeming contradictions perfectly reasonable and consistent seem completely misunderstood by the media who report on them.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Unless society is ready to face the fact that being a homosexual is nothing more that a life style choice and goes against nature and is perversion the whole subject is a waste of time and effort.
    This is entirely inaccurate. All you are posting is propaganda and logical fallacies.

    NAMBLA will be next to declare that it's not their fault they were born to molest little boys just like some Mormon Sect's believe it's okay to force 12 year old girls to marry dirty old men.
    More logical fallacies. The sky is NOT falling.

    With enough pressure the Liberals will say we are haters and intolerant for saying no to all child molesters, because they can't help it because it's the result of some mystery gene that does not even exist, like the claims the homosexuals have falsely claimed in the past.
    More nonsense. Until you can show legitimate claims that liberals are suggesting that child molesters are such because of genetics, you are posting nothing but ridiculous drivel.

    And as far as you link goes, the doctor in question is a psychoanalyst. Psychoanalysis's assessment of homosexuality has been thoroughly debunked as they depend on NO empirical research to make their assessment. Also, how sexual orientation is formed is unknown, but researchers agree that it is dependent on several factors including genetics, biology, and social influences. Now, remember that I said sexual orienation. That means the formation of heterosexuality is ALSO dependent on these factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Hopefully this will encourage a more robust analysis of the proposed policy change.
    Huh? If men and women can serve together, what is the difference if gay people are serving? This business that heterosexuals believe that gay people are attracted to EVERY person of their same sex is so ludicrous. Gay people are just like us--they are attracted to some people, but not all. Do these stupid generals think, "Joey is gay. He must be staring at my ass. He must want to BF me." Oh brother. Talk about ignorant.

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    I still contend if we're going to do this, housing issue must be addressed.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I still contend if we're going to do this, housing issue must be addressed.
    Alright ..we'll build separate barracks and bathrooms for them and raise your taxes to pay for it.

    Problem solved

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    ..oh, and we'll build some new subs to accommodate all female crews and all gay crews; with new colors: Naval Pink for the gals and Naval Lavender for the boys

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    So they found two homophobic generals.. big wutido.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So they found two homophobic generals.. big wutido.
    That's more than a little close-minded. I'm a huge proponent for gay rights and I still understand that introducing open homosexuality into the military is far more complex than the civilian world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, I think the military is one of the most productive ways of increasing tolerance. Anyone that's been to boot camp knows how much your perspective changes about people when your exposed to so many different backgrounds at one time. We were in port one time and started laughing because of the diversity in our group. It seems so natural in the military.

    It's still more than a political statement for politicians and voters. It needs to be looked at seriously before they make the decision.

    Generals don't have time to be homophobic, it's not some juvenile perspective. They care about their military. Their concerns are far deeper than you give them credit for.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jray573 View Post
    That's more than a little close-minded. I'm a huge proponent for gay rights and I still understand that introducing open homosexuality into the military is far more complex than the civilian world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, I think the military is one of the most productive ways of increasing tolerance. Anyone that's been to boot camp knows how much your perspective changes about people when your exposed to so many different backgrounds at one time. We were in port one time and started laughing because of the diversity in our group. It seems so natural in the military.

    It's still more than a political statement for politicians and voters. It needs to be looked at seriously before they make the decision.

    Generals don't have time to be homophobic, it's not some juvenile perspective. They care about their military. Their concerns are far deeper than you give them credit for.
    Sorry but it is bs.

    This ban on homosexuals in the military is a leftover from the days when homosexuality was banned in general in society, either by law or by some sort of society moral often enforced by the church and the state.

    While society has managed for the most part to get rid of the bans on homosexuality, the ban still remains entrenched in the macho world of the military.

    There whole argument is the same lame argument that they used to prevent women severing in the military and that argument was overcome for the most part.

    The argument is an old mans conservative argument that is based on the age old dividing up of roles in society.. men hunt and provide, women are homemakers and breeding machines. Anyone stepping outside this predefined role are punished. Like it or not, we dont live in the 1400s anymore, but in the 21st century.

    These generals are homophobic period. Anyone against gays in the military are homophobic. Anyone against women in the military are sexist. That is a fact. These generals should do their freaking job instead of getting mixed up in politics.. if they want to be in politics, then leave the military and do so.. dont sit behind the desk at the pentagon and promote their narrow-minded crap.
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