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2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

Based on what? Are gay military people in valuable jobs still discharged? That don't sound like it's working well. Is DADT used by some who find the military not to their liking to get out easily? That does not sound like it is working well. Are gays still required to hide their orientation for fear of discharge, forced to watch what they say and who they are with and where they go? That does not sound like it is working well. What are you basing this statement on?

And I further ask, again, why do you have such a low opinion of our men and women in the service that you do not think they can handle things that civilians do, and other militaries do
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Yeah they are if they break the law they get discharged.........

I have the most respect and admiration for our men and women in the military but as I have said many times our military is not suppose to be used as a social experiment like you liberals want it to be........Its there to fight our wars and protect you not for political correctness.....If you want PC find it somewhere else........

As far as the bolded part goes we covered that while you were in the bathroom so go back and read the last couple of pages and it might answer your question.........
 
Now concentrate like a laser being because there will be a quiz........I am comparing myself as a straight man with a gay man.........He is attracted to men, I am to women.....Sleeping in close contact with a woman I am attracted to I ma afraid I might succumb to temptation........I as a straight male don't want to have any gay male have the same problem......

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Gays are different than women, they live in a society surrounded by straight men and don't horndog on them the whole time. I lived in a barrack with 39 other men for 3 months and didn't have any problem. I showered with them with no problem either.
 
Its called morale and unit cohesion........They are very important to the American fighting man......

Yep, they tried that argument to stop the troops from integrating as well.

Unit cohesion? I don't care if the guy watching my back shags sheep if he is a good soldier and will help keep my ass alive.
 
So married men can not be bisexual?

So if they're married, slept with a man, you're saying they might not get discharged because of adultery?

Sounds like another policy that needs fixing.
 
Lightdemon has not answered when asked twice if did you serve so it is obvious the lack of knowledge we see is no expierence.

And guess what? The "you can only understand if you served" position was destroyed pages ago. It is weak and cowardly debating. If you want to go that direction, then, unless you are gay, you cannot comment on what constitutes gay sexual orientation. Nor can you comment on anything that does not pertain to your personal experience... including liberals, since you are not one. So, unless you are prepared to do that, the "you can only understand if you served" comment is complete horse****.
 
I have the most respect and admiration for our men and women in the military but as I have said many times our military is not suppose to be used as a social experiment like you liberals want it to be...

The experiment is over, its been done in dozens of countries with no problem, the problem is folks like you who are freaked out by the whole idea. You're gonna have to get used to it, take it on in a soldierly manner why don't you?
 
Gays can't get married.....there is no adultery for them. The law doesn't apply to them.

It's like asking why pedestrians don't have to follow speed limits. It makes no sense.

I was told by and expert (DD) in DP that if a man hed sex with a married woman then it was adultery so it would be the same thing if a gay man had sex with a BI man who was married............
 
The experiment is over, its been done in dozens of countries with no problem, the problem is folks like you who are freaked out by the whole idea. You're gonna have to get used to it, take it on in a soldierly manner why don't you?

Don't bet your house on it my left wing friend......I don't want you not to have a place to sleep..........
 
I was told by and expert (DD) in DP that if a man hed sex with a married woman then it was adultery so it would be the same thing if a gay man had sex with a BI man who was married............

If the soldier isn't married, so why would he be charged with adultery then?? That doesn't make a lick of sense.
 
and guess what? The "you can only understand if you served" position was destroyed pages ago. It is weak and cowardly debating. If you want to go that direction, then, unless you are gay, you cannot comment on what constitutes gay sexual orientation. Nor can you comment on anything that does not pertain to your personal experience... Including liberals, since you are not one. So, unless you are prepared to do that, the "you can only understand if you served" comment is complete horse****.

i repeat i will not respond to you
 
If the soldier isn't married, so why would he be charged with adultery then?? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

You got to ask Disney Dude to answer that question......He is the expert on adultery not me.......
 
Nope. Hasn't happened.

CC you know you and I are never going to agree on this one.........Glad you could make it......we are having a lively debate here except we have gotten way off track on the subject of this thread...........
 
CC you know you and I are never going to agree on this one.........Glad you could make it......we are having a lively debate here except we have gotten way off track on the subject of this thread...........

I understand that NP, but actually, the thread is pretty much on target. I know I've actually learned quite a bit about leadership and military culture. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I will say that there are some folks on this thread on both sides that are making sense. And there are some on both sides that are not.
 
Yeah they are if they break the law they get discharged.........

I have the most respect and admiration for our men and women in the military but as I have said many times our military is not suppose to be used as a social experiment like you liberals want it to be........Its there to fight our wars and protect you not for political correctness.....If you want PC find it somewhere else........

As far as the bolded part goes we covered that while you were in the bathroom so go back and read the last couple of pages and it might answer your question.........

Of course they get discharged if they break DADT, which can be done by a mistake as well as intentionally. Getting drunk and mentioning your same sex girl/boyfriend can do it. However, it is the law, and they have broken it, and I am not arguing that they should not, now, be discharged. That is not the question, the question is whether the law should be changed.

And you talk a good game about respect and admiration, but your words do not show it. If you think that our service men and women cannot handle what civilians handle trivially, and what other militaries handle, you do not think much of our troops.
 
Don't bet your house on it my left wing friend......I don't want you not to have a place to sleep..........


Are you saying.... permitting gays to serve would be a threat to my personal safety? You're just confusing me.
 
Of course they get discharged if they break DADT, which can be done by a mistake as well as intentionally. Getting drunk and mentioning your same sex girl/boyfriend can do it. However, it is the law, and they have broken it, and I am not arguing that they should not, now, be discharged. That is not the question, the question is whether the law should be changed.

And you talk a good game about respect and admiration, but your words do not show it. If you think that our service men and women cannot handle what civilians handle trivially, and what other militaries handle, you do not think much of our troops.

So if civilians handle it there is no need for hate crime laws? Nice try.
 
So if civilians handle it there is no need for hate crime laws? Nice try.

Hate crimes are a whole other subject. People who commit hate crimes consist of about .0001 % of the population. Or to put it another way, almost all by the vast majority can and do handle it trivially.

Oh, and I oppose hate crime laws.
 
Of course they get discharged if they break DADT, which can be done by a mistake as well as intentionally. Getting drunk and mentioning your same sex girl/boyfriend can do it. However, it is the law, and they have broken it, and I am not arguing that they should not, now, be discharged. That is not the question, the question is whether the law should be changed.

And you talk a good game about respect and admiration, but your words do not show it. If you think that our service men and women cannot handle what civilians handle trivially, and what other militaries handle, you do not think much of our troops.

You know something Redress attacking me is not going to help you........You can't get under my skin like rivrat (not sure of the spelling).. In fact I kind of like you.:)

DADT is working fine........Use to be if a gay person broke and article against the UCMJ he had to have a court martial to discharge him.......Under DADT it a matter of non Judicial punishment and not to much time or paperwork is use and the gay person gets and honorable discharge...That wasn't the case in the old days
 
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