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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As I said, not that I'm aware of. I just might be friends with someone that is gay, but I don't know that they are gay and don't really give a ****, either. Ya see, me and the people I am friends with, we all take each other at face value and don't worry about all that other ****.
    Interesting. Kinda like how soldiers relate to one another.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any celibate gay person that gets discharged under DADT is either too stupid to be in the service, or didn't want to be there to begin with, so I'm not having a problem with that.

    Committing sodomy is the only way for homosexuals to have actual intercourse, hence article 134 is the law that supports DADT.
    A homosexual will be discharged for attempting to marry someone of the same sex. A command does not have to prove that the two are committing sodomy, only that they are trying to get married even if it is in a state where it is legal, or even just a commitment ceremony that the command finds out about.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The DADT policy says that admitting to be gay, or a command learning that you are gay is cause for discharge. Again, read the linked material in this very thread. You can use that sight to get the very laws that make up DADT, you can also learn about what constitutes a DADT violation, the types of discharges you can get, what is marked on your DD-214, and much more. Educate yourself before you bury yourself even more.

    Ah-hah! Yes, outright admitting that you're gay will get your ass kicked out in a heart beat. Maybe they should excercise their right to, "...don't tell".

    How would command, "learn they were gay"? There would have to be some sorta evidence to allow a commander to keep from violating DADT. Obviously, that evidence would have to be homosexual activity and nooooooo hanging out with another dude/dudette having a drink isn't enough. One of my brothers and I linked up at the NCO tavern at Fort hood and we hugged. Nobody ever raised a question about our sexual orientation.

    I think you're just spreading whitewash.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A homosexual will be discharged for attempting to marry someone of the same sex. A command does not have to prove that the two are committing sodomy, only that they are trying to get married even if it is in a state where it is legal, or even just a commitment ceremony that the command finds out about.
    Wouldn't you think that two people of the same sex would be proof enough that they are gay? C'mon, let's start using some common sense, here.

    They're going to consumate the marriage, right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    So the entire time you are in the military, whether you are on active duty or sitting at home, you should be secretive about your sexual orientation?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So the entire time you are in the military, whether you are on active duty or sitting at home, you should be secretive about your sexual orientation?
    With the exception of sitting in your home, yes, you should.

    Are you aware that talking about sex, or even your sexuality in front of a female soldier can be considered sexual harassment? It's a good idea not to go blabbin' too much about your personal life in the service, because you never know who might here you and the next thing you know, you're up on some chicken**** charge.

    But, hey, I was only in the service for 12 years, what the hell do I know, right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. Kinda like how soldiers relate to one another.
    Not all soldiers. Don't make blanket statements, now. Redress'll get all over your ass about that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ah-hah! Yes, outright admitting that you're gay will get your ass kicked out in a heart beat. Maybe they should excercise their right to, "...don't tell".

    How would command, "learn they were gay"? There would have to be some sorta evidence to allow a commander to keep from violating DADT. Obviously, that evidence would have to be homosexual activity and nooooooo hanging out with another dude/dudette having a drink isn't enough. One of my brothers and I linked up at the NCO tavern at Fort hood and we hugged. Nobody ever raised a question about our sexual orientation.

    I think you're just spreading whitewash.
    I mentioned several ways, you focus on one. There are a number of ways a command can find out a person is gay, such as something as simple as some one else seeing them holding hands with a person of the same sex. The command will then "ask" as part of the proceedings, and the gay person has two options, lie, which can result in much more serious charges, or admit it, which results in a discharge.

    Note that nowhere is any sodomy involved in this scenario. Are you willing to admit that sodomy is not the issue with DADT?
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wouldn't you think that two people of the same sex would be proof enough that they are gay? C'mon, let's start using some common sense, here.

    They're going to consumate the marriage, right?
    How do you know they want to consummate the marriage? Maybe they are intimate on other levels. Love and wanting to be married does not mean having sex 100% of the time. The vast majority, yes. But consummation is not a legal requirement of marriage, unless they have a prenup that it is. I'm sorry if you believe that every marriage is exactly the same, but it's not true.

    Also, you are wrong that they could bring their significant other to a military function or be seen in acts of PDA.

    GAY RIGHTS IN THE MILITARY - GAY RIGHTS IN THE MILITARY - The Pentagon's New Policy Guidelines on Homosexuals in the Military - Text - NYTimes.com

    Bodily contact between service members of the same sex that a reasonable person would understand to demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts (e.g., hand-holding or kissing in most circumstances) will be sufficient to initiate separation.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Bodily contact between service members of the same sex that a reasonable person would understand to demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts (e.g., hand-holding or kissing in most circumstances) will be sufficient to initiate separation.
    Well, there ya go! It all makes sense when combined with relaity. Yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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