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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And that set of rules says one person can do things that another doing the exact same thing will be discharged for.
    No it doesn't say....Its says the rules are the same for everyonw.....The military is not a female tea party.......Its not a democracy...Its a dictatorship.....You know the rules when you enlist......If you don't like them then stay the hell out...Let the men of the military fight our battles with out stupid distractions......
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Lets be honest. I didnt engage this topic to advocate or fight. I ANSWERED A QUESTION...something most people are afraid to do. Rather than accept that there ARE INDEED issues and problems...I get to field a thousand different little spurts as to why there wouldnt be a problem by people that are blind to reality based on their own desires and what they think is right.

    Personally? I HATE having the gay rights discussion. I hate to sound trite...but I work with many homosexual men and women and I enjoy their company. I dont identify them as gfay people that happen to be good people...I identify them as good people that happen to be gay. I associate with them...communicate with them...their sexuality is not my business or concern.

    I do have significant military experience. A question was asked. I answered it. I got the typical shrill response. Im NOT surprised. It gets annoying...which is why I dont like the discussion.
    If your argument is that there will be problems as a result of repealing the policy, then you would be correct. I can't imagine how there wouldn't be. Changing just about any policy would lead to problems.

    Of course, there are problems with the policy. Qualified units are being dismissed for just being gay even when there is no apparent signs that allowing them to serve openly would cause problems. In addition, our military is required more and more often to serve alongside gay and lesbian troops from foreign militarys.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No it doesn't say....Its says the rules are the same for everyonw.....The military is not a female tea party.......Its not a democracy...Its a dictatorship.....You know the rules when you enlist......If you don't like them then stay the hell out...Let the men of the military fight our battles with out stupid distractions......
    Yes, it very much does have different rules for two otherwise identical people. If a strait mentions his orientation, no penalty, if a gay does, discharge.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And that set of rules says one person can do things that another doing the exact same thing will be discharged for.
    Again, you're wrong. The UCMJ makes sodomy illegal for straights the same way it's illegal for gays. Just like adultry is illegal, IAW the UCMJ and a married couple that engages in a swinger lifestyle, the service member in that couple can be subject to military discipline.

    So, no, there isn't a double standard.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, it very much does have different rules for two otherwise identical people. If a strait mentions his orientation, no penalty, if a gay does, discharge.
    As I thought, it's all about a gay soldier being able to advertise his/her sexuality to the rest of the world.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That explains the mass court martials we currently experience...

    no...wait...
    Mass court martials? How many? When? Where? Why? Circumstances? Links? 10 years in the Navy, and I never seen anyone get in trouble at all for hurting or even harassing a gay person. Now I have heard about units/personnel in the Navy, Marines and Army (don't know a whole lot about the AF) that gave guys crap for being gay, but these incidents didn't involve violence or even harsh words. Now of course I've heard about the occasional case where someone claims that someone else was gay and was either hitting on them or asked them out, and the person got ticked off and beat the crap out of the gay guy, but I don't know of any mass court martials recently or even a huge amount of cases of these things happening. Most people are too concerned about getting in trouble to beat someone up for looking at them or just for being gay. And most gays probably aren't going to actually hit on a straight guy. Most gay guys seem to know which guys are gay or straight, unless the guy is metro, but then he probably wouldn't beat the gay guy up for hitting on him.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Holy bat****.

    If that was commonly accepted we would have had...like...4 posts on this thread.
    It's not about whether there will be any problems or not. It's about a difference of opinion in how big and significant those problems will be and whether those problems are enough to justify keeping DADT in place. Just because doing something will cause problems, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The current plan is a multi year plan to study and slowly implement the policy change.
    Whaaaaaaaat? Whats to study? You mean there MIGHT actually be problems???

    Then why the hell didnt you just admit that...say that...90 posts ago instead of arguing that its silly to think there would be?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The current plan is a multi year plan to study and slowly implement the policy change.
    I must not have been keeping up well enough. I bow, due to my ignorance on the matter.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's not about whether there will be any problems or not. It's about a difference of opinion in how big and significant those problems will be and whether those problems are enough to justify keeping DADT in place. Just because doing something will cause problems, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
    Thats not for me to argue...I wont have any say on the matter.

    I advise guard and reserve units. I have taught the current policy and I have been asked my opinion on changing the policy. I have told them the same thing I have told my son, who is currently on active duty...IF and WHEN it gets changed they have 1 chance every four years to disagree with the policy. If they choose to reenlist then they shut up and color...follow the rules. Thats your choice. Opinion doesnt come into play.

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