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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait wait wait...thats funny....

    "And what do you do when you don't have a condom or birth control but you want to have sex without the risk of a pregnancy?"

    Let me guess...you have anal sex?

    Wow.

    I take it they are teaching that as an accepted means of birthcontrol now? Well...considering Obamas Education Czar...I guess that makes sense...
    I'm speaking of what statistics say that Africans actually do. It is no secret that Africans have culturally used anal sex as a form of birth control because they lacked other methods such as condoms.

    Regardless of how willfully you wish to believe AIDs is a gay disease, it is actually a disease of anal sex and intravenous drug use. Both gays and heterosexuals practice anal sex. That is the truth whether or not you want to accept it.

    And let's be realistic. It's not like you are advocating that lesbians should be allowed to serve because they are the lowest risk group.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Amazingly, those same groups do pretty well at controlling themselves now. Many units know that one or more of their personnel is gay, and yet, there really aren't that many cases where good order and discipline are interrupted now. And, repealing DADT doesn't really change anything down in the ranks. Most of the changes would actually be in paperwork and policy. There would be no longer a need to sign the page 13s about DADT and being gay. Investigations would no longer need to be conducted on if a person is gay. They may still come up on a gay person's behavior, and whether they are acting professional or not, but this investigation could be done on a straight person also. Repealing DADT would give the military members who want out before their time is up one less way to get a general discharge, could help the military on retention of priority jobs. It does not mean that a gay military person has to come out as gay to anyone in the military at all. And it doesn't mean that it will suddenly ignite some desperate urge for a flood of gays to try to get into the military. It does mean that the military personnel who are gay won't have to worry so much about the wrong person finding out and getting them put out.

    And the whole argument that they should keep their personal lives personal is not always so easy in a military life. Very few, if any, other jobs do you live so close to coworkers, so very often many of your friends are from your job and not outside it. And generally, especially in military towns, you will see personnel from all parts of your chain of command in places where you frequently go to hang out off duty, including bars, restaurants, clubs, movies, mall, grocery store, or even the gas station. It's quite hard to hide the fact that you are a guy at a romantic movie with another guy on a date if someone from your chain of command happens to be seeing the same movie with his wife and sees you holding hands with the other guy. And its really hard to justify saying no PDA off base, out of uniform if heterosexuals are allowed to do it.
    That explains the mass court martials we currently experience...

    no...wait...

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm speaking of what statistics say that Africans actually do. It is no secret that Africans have culturally used anal sex as a form of birth control because they lacked other methods such as condoms.

    Regardless of how willfully you wish to believe AIDs is a gay disease, it is actually a disease of anal sex and intravenous drug use. Both gays and heterosexuals practice anal sex. That is the truth whether or not you want to accept it.

    And let's be realistic. It's not like you are advocating that lesbians should be allowed to serve because they are the lowest risk group.
    Lets be honest. I didnt engage this topic to advocate or fight. I ANSWERED A QUESTION...something most people are afraid to do. Rather than accept that there ARE INDEED issues and problems...I get to field a thousand different little spurts as to why there wouldnt be a problem by people that are blind to reality based on their own desires and what they think is right.

    Personally? I HATE having the gay rights discussion. I hate to sound trite...but I work with many homosexual men and women and I enjoy their company. I dont identify them as gfay people that happen to be good people...I identify them as good people that happen to be gay. I associate with them...communicate with them...their sexuality is not my business or concern.

    I do have significant military experience. A question was asked. I answered it. I got the typical shrill response. Im NOT surprised. It gets annoying...which is why I dont like the discussion.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the reason is that most of those soldiers get in...do their job...and have earned their respect. I dont deny that.

    For the who knows how many eth time...


    I am not here to argue, defend...fight or anything else. Someone asked the question "what are some of the reasons WHY"

    I answered that question. Dont like it? Fine. Disagree with it? FINE.

    But if you maintain that openly gay individuals wont face the same type of problems they might face on...oh...say...a professional sports team...and that there wont be a problem with repealing DADT...then you are being intentionally and deliberately ignorant.
    That's fine, and I'm sure most gays understand that there will be some problems but they most likely won't be as bad as people think. Gloom and doom forecasts seem to rain heavy amongst military personnel, yet most turn out way less severe than originally predicted. And I argue for repealing DADT so adamantly because I see it as very unfair of the military to have such a policy when they have no real proof that allowing gays to serve openly will actually cause so much trouble or hurt good order and discipline. Instead they seem to be basing all the hesitations on fear of what might possibly happen and outdated beliefs about both homosexuals and heterosexuals. I'd be willing to bet that most homosexuals in or who would join the military are quite willing and able to conduct themselves in a professional manner. I'd also be willing to bet that most heterosexuals in the military can and will do the same. Sure there will probably be some problems, but that doesn't change the fact that DADT, and for that matter the UCMJ laws on sodomy in privacy period, are unfair and from a time of less tolerance and should go away. Transitions always take time and have problems but this one should not be put off any longer. Sometimes a "good time" never comes, and you have to do things anyway.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And not long after that we'll be hearing Liberals far and wide crying that he got kicked out because he's gay and it's right to throw his sexuality in anyone's face he wants.

    Ultimately the support for gays serving openly in the military is all about that very thing. It's alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll about gays being able to annouce their gay'ness and not get kicked out of the service.
    It's actually alllllllllllllllll about having one set of rules for all people in the service.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That's fine, and I'm sure most gays understand that there will be some problems but they most likely won't be as bad as people think. Gloom and doom forecasts seem to rain heavy amongst military personnel, yet most turn out way less severe than originally predicted. And I argue for repealing DADT so adamantly because I see it as very unfair of the military to have such a policy when they have no real proof that allowing gays to serve openly will actually cause so much trouble or hurt good order and discipline. Instead they seem to be basing all the hesitations on fear of what might possibly happen and outdated beliefs about both homosexuals and heterosexuals. I'd be willing to bet that most homosexuals in or who would join the military are quite willing and able to conduct themselves in a professional manner. I'd also be willing to bet that most heterosexuals in the military can and will do the same. Sure there will probably be some problems, but that doesn't change the fact that DADT, and for that matter the UCMJ laws on sodomy in privacy period, are unfair and from a time of less tolerance and should go away. Transitions always take time and have problems but this one should not be put off any longer. Sometimes a "good time" never comes, and you have to do things anyway.
    Holy bat****.

    If that was commonly accepted we would have had...like...4 posts on this thread.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's actually alllllllllllllllll about having one set of rules for all people in the service.
    There is one set of rules....Its called the Uniform Code of Military Justice...Obey it or pay the price.............
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    I do not think it is too much to ask that we be cautious with such a policy change before doing so. I am principally for it, but I think it is sensible to admit that these matters are complicated even when we do not want to them to be.

    For every one of the supporters, there may be at least one Navy Pride out there.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is one set of rules....Its called the Uniform Code of Military Justice...Obey it or pay the price.............
    And that set of rules says one person can do things that another doing the exact same thing will be discharged for.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I do not think it is too much to ask that we be cautious with such a policy change before doing so. I am principally for it, but I think it is sensible to admit that these matters are complicated even when we do not want to them to be.

    For every one of the supporters, there may be at least one Navy Pride out there.
    The current plan is a multi year plan to study and slowly implement the policy change.
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