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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Are you saying a flamboyant gay man cannot be trained?

    What would be the remedy for that? DADT? No. The remedy would to kick his ass out of the military, and NOT to make a blanket ban for all gays to enlist. That's just asinine.
    Im just curious...are you a deliberate idiot...or does it come natural to you? Do you refuse to accept that in a male dominated, testosterone driven environment where anger, and violence is a commonplace occurence that a fairly large number of soldiers might not be...lets just say eager...to take orders from a flamboyantly gay individual?

    Im not here to ARGUE with you the merits. I DONT CARE if you agree or disagree...we wont be making policy changes. Im pointing out the problems. If you continue to stick your head in the...sand...well...fine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im just curious...are you a deliberate idiot...or does it come natural to you? Do you refuse to accept that in a male dominated, testosterone driven environment where anger, and violence is a commonplace occurence that a fairly large number of soldiers might not be...lets just say eager...to take orders from a flamboyantly gay individual?

    Im not here to ARGUE with you the merits. I DONT CARE if you agree or disagree...we wont be making policy changes. Im pointing out the problems. If you continue to stick your head in the...sand...well...fine...
    You are showing an incredible ignorance of the military, and sell our military people short. They are very much capable of doing their jobs.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yep...that explains the numbers. And it especially dilutes things when you draw in comparitive populations from countries were condoms and even aspirin are rare. Yep.
    And what do you do when you don't have a condom or birth control but you want to have sex without the risk of a pregnancy? You should probably think these things out a bit more before you post them.

    If you don't believe me I can provide all the scientific literature in the world to support my arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are showing an incredible ignorance of the military, and sell our military people short. They are very much capable of doing their jobs.
    I am speaking truth to the potential problems. That you refuse to admit it shows your ignorance to the issue. You blindly want what you want and refuse to see the potential problems. Thats fine.

    I work with soldiers today. I spent 20 years active duty. Im speaking my opinion absed on that. Im sure your vast military exposure and experience is radically different. In EVERY way. I will point out the non-politically correct problems others refuse to speak. Because I dont CARE if you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And what do you do when you don't have a condom or birth control but you want to have sex without the risk of a pregnancy? You should probably think these things out a bit more before you post them.

    If you don't believe me I can provide all the scientific literature in the world to support my arguments.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Are you saying a flamboyant gay man cannot be trained?

    What would be the remedy for that? DADT? No. The remedy would to kick his ass out of the military, and NOT to make a blanket ban for all gays to enlist. That's just asinine.

    And not long after that we'll be hearing Liberals far and wide crying that he got kicked out because he's gay and it's right to throw his sexuality in anyone's face he wants.

    Ultimately the support for gays serving openly in the military is all about that very thing. It's alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll about gays being able to annouce their gay'ness and not get kicked out of the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And what do you do when you don't have a condom or birth control but you want to have sex without the risk of a pregnancy? You should probably think these things out a bit more before you post them.

    If you don't believe me I can provide all the scientific literature in the world to support my arguments.
    Wait wait wait...thats funny....

    "And what do you do when you don't have a condom or birth control but you want to have sex without the risk of a pregnancy?"

    Let me guess...you have anal sex?

    Wow.

    I take it they are teaching that as an accepted means of birthcontrol now? Well...considering Obamas Education Czar...I guess that makes sense...

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im just curious...are you a deliberate idiot...or does it come natural to you? Do you refuse to accept that in a male dominated, testosterone driven environment where anger, and violence is a commonplace occurence that a fairly large number of soldiers might not be...lets just say eager...to take orders from a flamboyantly gay individual?

    Im not here to ARGUE with you the merits. I DONT CARE if you agree or disagree...we wont be making policy changes. Im pointing out the problems. If you continue to stick your head in the...sand...well...fine...
    Amazingly, those same groups do pretty well at controlling themselves now. Many units know that one or more of their personnel is gay, and yet, there really aren't that many cases where good order and discipline are interrupted now. And, repealing DADT doesn't really change anything down in the ranks. Most of the changes would actually be in paperwork and policy. There would be no longer a need to sign the page 13s about DADT and being gay. Investigations would no longer need to be conducted on if a person is gay. They may still come up on a gay person's behavior, and whether they are acting professional or not, but this investigation could be done on a straight person also. Repealing DADT would give the military members who want out before their time is up one less way to get a general discharge, could help the military on retention of priority jobs. It does not mean that a gay military person has to come out as gay to anyone in the military at all. And it doesn't mean that it will suddenly ignite some desperate urge for a flood of gays to try to get into the military. It does mean that the military personnel who are gay won't have to worry so much about the wrong person finding out and getting them put out.

    And the whole argument that they should keep their personal lives personal is not always so easy in a military life. Very few, if any, other jobs do you live so close to coworkers, so very often many of your friends are from your job and not outside it. And generally, especially in military towns, you will see personnel from all parts of your chain of command in places where you frequently go to hang out off duty, including bars, restaurants, clubs, movies, mall, grocery store, or even the gas station. It's quite hard to hide the fact that you are a guy at a romantic movie with another guy on a date if someone from your chain of command happens to be seeing the same movie with his wife and sees you holding hands with the other guy. And its really hard to justify saying no PDA off base, out of uniform if heterosexuals are allowed to do it.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Its great to see these two generals come forward and defend DADT....Its shows they are saying the hell with political correctness.....By defying Hussein Obama, Gates and Mullen they are putting their careers on the line......I know there are many more senior officers that feel as they do.....Lets hope they have the courage to step forward and voice the feelings on the issue.........Don't let our men be the subject of a social experiment......God knows with 2 wars they have enough to do already....Bless them all and keep them from harms way.......
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Amazingly, those same groups do pretty well at controlling themselves now. Many units know that one or more of their personnel is gay, and yet, there really aren't that many cases where good order and discipline are interrupted now. And, repealing DADT doesn't really change anything down in the ranks. Most of the changes would actually be in paperwork and policy. There would be no longer a need to sign the page 13s about DADT and being gay. Investigations would no longer need to be conducted on if a person is gay. They may still come up on a gay person's behavior, and whether they are acting professional or not, but this investigation could be done on a straight person also. Repealing DADT would give the military members who want out before their time is up one less way to get a general discharge, could help the military on retention of priority jobs. It does not mean that a gay military person has to come out as gay to anyone in the military at all. And it doesn't mean that it will suddenly ignite some desperate urge for a flood of gays to try to get into the military. It does mean that the military personnel who are gay won't have to worry so much about the wrong person finding out and getting them put out.

    And the whole argument that they should keep their personal lives personal is not always so easy in a military life. Very few, if any, other jobs do you live so close to coworkers, so very often many of your friends are from your job and not outside it. And generally, especially in military towns, you will see personnel from all parts of your chain of command in places where you frequently go to hang out off duty, including bars, restaurants, clubs, movies, mall, grocery store, or even the gas station. It's quite hard to hide the fact that you are a guy at a romantic movie with another guy on a date if someone from your chain of command happens to be seeing the same movie with his wife and sees you holding hands with the other guy. And its really hard to justify saying no PDA off base, out of uniform if heterosexuals are allowed to do it.
    And the reason is that most of those soldiers get in...do their job...and have earned their respect. I dont deny that.

    For the who knows how many eth time...


    I am not here to argue, defend...fight or anything else. Someone asked the question "what are some of the reasons WHY"

    I answered that question. Dont like it? Fine. Disagree with it? FINE.

    But if you maintain that openly gay individuals wont face the same type of problems they might face on...oh...say...a professional sports team...and that there wont be a problem with repealing DADT...then you are being intentionally and deliberately ignorant.

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