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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

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    You again skirted the very direct question...WHY are homosexuals not allowed to donate blood in the civilian world?
    You're missing the point of the answer you were given. They aren't allowed to donate blood because the homosexual lifestyle has an increased possibility of contracting HIV. However, this does not mean that all or even most homosexual personnel have HIV/AIDS and the military tests its members for it regularly. And you still have missed the fact that this is a very bad argument since the entire military knows they are all tested for HIV/AIDS at least biannually, that there are military members who are gay in their ranks already, and that there are other ways to contract HIV than just being gay, including drug use, tattoos, sleeping with prostitutes or people you don't know. Funny how you think that the military personnel would be so scared of the gay guy having AIDS but not the guy that sleeps with a different girl every night or the girl that gets the tattoo in a foreign port or anyone else who people know practice the risky behaviors. We do get plenty of training on how HIV is spread and prevention. And those who claim ignorance because they weren't paying attention I'd have to say those are the ones you really should be worried about having it, especially if they're young and single.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Might have something to do with the gay lifdestyle making them extremely susceptable to HIV?
    Nothing about the gay "lifestyle" makes gays anymore likely to contract HIV.

    HIV is primarily spread through anal sex. Hence, men who have anal sex with men are the highest risk group for HIV infection.

    However, by that reasoning, lesbians are the lowest risk group for HIV.

    Furthermore, just because someone is gay does not mean they engage in anal sex, and as I'm sure you are aware, heterosexuals also engage in anal sex. One of the primary reasons that HIV is so high in Africa (22 million infected) is because anal sex has culturally been practiced by heterosexuals there as a form of birth control.

    The policy regarding blood donations has been on the books since the 1970s prior to testing and a lot of other developments. It can be refined to focus on the specific behaviors that spread HIV, namely unprotected anal sex and inter venous drug use.

    For you to use the argument that this discriminatory practice is somehow rational seems willfully ignorant. The policy does nothing to protect the blood supply from heterosexuals who practice anal sex, which is considerably naive given that heterosexuals are likely to surpass gays as the primary carriers of the disease before the end of this decade.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Might have something with an estimated 5% of the US population comprising somewhere around 87% of the victims right up until about the year 2000?

    Might have something to do with the gay lifdestyle making them extremely susceptable to HIV?

    But you cant (wont) see why that might be one of the problems with eliminating DADT.
    Sigh....Lifting DADT doesn't mean that there will be an explosion of gay sex in the military. It doesn't mean that HIV will be epidemic in the barracks.

    In fact, even with DADT, there still are homosexuals in the ranks ALREADY. So what is the point really?? DADT isn't keeping homosexuals out of the military, it's just a policy to show that homosexuality is unacceptable. But no one has bothered to say why. Can you tell me why it's unacceptable to say your homosexual? Can you tell me why that by hiding your homosexuality you can serve our military, but the moment to become honest about yourself, you're no longer fit to serve?

    Can you answer that for me?
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You again skirted the very direct question...WHY are homosexuals not allowed to donate blood in the civilian world?
    Why is this relevant? Military life is different. You are creating all these "oh no" situations, but none of them go far. Being gay does not mean HIV infection(lesbians are among the absolute lowest risk groups for HIV, and yes, they are gay), being gay does not mean taking advantage of the military for benefits(your words), being gay does not mean flamboyant, being gay does not mean lesser.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He/she needs to be trained an educated in how to conduct his/herself like a soldier and that it would be very unprofessional to throw his/her sexual orientation in everyone's face, because ultimately, no one gives a rat's ass. And he/she should also be informed that throwing his/her sexuality in another soldier's face could be considered sexual harassment and thereby punishable under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice and the DoD's policy against sexual harassment. Most importantly, he/she will be required to meet the same standards as any other soldier, so therfore the, "They're being mean to me because I'm gay", cry-baby **** isn't going to fly.

    It's the reason I believe that even if the restriction on gays in the military is lifted, DADT should remain in place for everybody's protection.
    So basically, like every one else, being an idiot would be discouraged. See, no problem.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He/she needs to be trained an educated in how to conduct his/herself like a soldier and that it would be very unprofessional to throw his/her sexual orientation in everyone's face, because ultimately, no one gives a rat's ass. And he/she should also be informed that throwing his/her sexuality in another soldier's face could be considered sexual harassment and thereby punishable under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice and the DoD's policy against sexual harassment. Most importantly, he/she will be required to meet the same standards as any other soldier, so therfore the, "They're being mean to me because I'm gay", cry-baby **** isn't going to fly.

    It's the reason I believe that even if the restriction on gays in the military is lifted, DADT should remain in place for everybody's protection.
    Are you saying a flamboyant gay man cannot be trained?

    What would be the remedy for that? DADT? No. The remedy would to kick his ass out of the military, and NOT to make a blanket ban for all gays to enlist. That's just asinine.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Nothing about the gay "lifestyle" makes gays anymore likely to contract HIV.

    HIV is primarily spread through anal sex. Hence, men who have anal sex with men are the highest risk group for HIV infection.

    However, by that reasoning, lesbians are the lowest risk group for HIV.

    Furthermore, just because someone is gay does not mean they engage in anal sex, and as I'm sure you are aware, heterosexuals also engage in anal sex. One of the primary reasons that HIV is so high in Africa (22 million infected) is because anal sex has culturally been practiced by heterosexuals there as a form of birth control.

    The policy regarding blood donations has been on the books since the 1970s prior to testing and a lot of other developments. It can be refined to focus on the specific behaviors that spread HIV, namely unprotected anal sex and inter venous drug use.

    For you to use the argument that this discriminatory practice is somehow rational seems willfully ignorant. The policy does nothing to protect the blood supply from heterosexuals who practice anal sex, which is considerably naive given that heterosexuals are likely to surpass gays as the primary carriers of the disease before the end of this decade.
    Yep...that explains the numbers. And it especially dilutes things when you draw in comparitive populations from countries were condoms and even aspirin are rare. Yep.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yep...that explains the numbers. And it especially dilutes things when you draw in comparitive populations from countries were condoms and even aspirin are rare. Yep.
    And what about lesbians? Are they okay to enlist in the military openly?
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why is this relevant? Military life is different. You are creating all these "oh no" situations, but none of them go far. Being gay does not mean HIV infection(lesbians are among the absolute lowest risk groups for HIV, and yes, they are gay), being gay does not mean taking advantage of the military for benefits(your words), being gay does not mean flamboyant, being gay does not mean lesser.
    I am SIMPLY POINTING OUT the problems that would arise. Unlike most people...I amswered the question. You can disagree...fine. There are MANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. I am simply pointing them out. You can ARGUE with them all you want. It doesnt change the fact that there are and will be problems.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I am SIMPLY POINTING OUT the problems that would arise. Unlike most people...I amswered the question. You can disagree...fine. There are MANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. I am simply pointing them out. You can ARGUE with them all you want. It doesnt change the fact that there are and will be problems.
    Except it's not a problem. The military has clear guidelines for HIV testing and how to handle people infected. Gays men would hardly be the only high risk group in the military, and gay women would be the lowest risk group in the military. The problem with your problem is that it is not a problem.
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